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1 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53273 | ||
Shalom Joe; Thank you very much for the welcome. I was recently introduced to this forum and have found it very interesting. It is always great to discuss scripture from differing point of views. I find it interesting that Christians have such a wide range of views when it comes to the Torah, some say they are still in effect while others say they are not. Others say they are only for the Jews and not for the gentiles. I find your belief that the moral laws are still for us today refreshing, after all who knows morality better than God himself. I actually hold to a more stricter view of Torah than most in this forum and would like to share a couple of observations from the scripture with you and others. You said in your post; For us, as post-Christ people of God, the ceremonial and sacrificial aspects of the Law have been abolished (Ephesians), because Jesus as our mediator makes unnecessary the ceremonial rituals to approach an infinitely holy God (Ephesians 2:13-16), and because Hebrews 10 makes clear that the sacrifices were but a foreshadowing of the atonement that is found in Christ alone. Let me post what Yeshua said in Matthew 5; 17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. According to Yeshua, not one jot or tittle will pass from the law until heaven and earth are destroyed and that we are to teach them. About the sacrifices, we do not do sacrifices today because the Temple is not standing. But when it was, even Paul was there doing sacrifices as we see in Acts 21. 20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: "You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. The believers in Yeshua were still zealous for the law. The passage continues stating that these zealots for the law have heard that Paul was teaching against the law and that to prove them wrong they ask him to take part in a Nazarite vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everybody will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law. 25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality." 26 The next day Paul took the men and purified himself along with them. Then he went to the temple to give notice of the date when the days of purification would end and the offering would be made for each of them. To show them that he still followed Torah, he participates in the vow which included the offering which according to Numbers 6 is a male lamb, a female lamb and a ram; 13 "'Now this is the law for the Nazirite when the period of his separation is over. He is to be brought to the entrance to the Tent of Meeting. 14 There he is to present his offerings to the LORD: a year-old male lamb without defect for a burnt offering, a year-old ewe lamb without defect for a sin offering, a ram without defect for a fellowship offering, 18 "'Then at the entrance to the Tent of Meeting, the Nazirite must shave off the hair that he dedicated. He is to take the hair and put it in the fire that is under the sacrifice of the fellowship offering. About your final questions. No I am not physically descended from Abraham but do call him my father. Not only does Yeshua exhibit the profile of “prophet” but he is the promised prophet of Deuteronomy 18:15. I do believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, but I find it interesting that the idea of a coming “Messiah”was a Rabbinic tradition rather than Biblical, while the Bible calls the coming one a “Prophet”. I do have a slightly different view of the Trinity than most Christians. I do subscribe to a Trinitarian view of YHWH, though my understanding of the Trinity comes from the Kabbalah (the probable origin of the Christian idea of a trinity). Shalom Joe and thank you for the great discussion. Simchat Torah |
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2 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Mommapbs | 53288 | ||
Shalom Simchat Torah! Welcome - I have enjoyed reading your posts. I agree that the New Testament is greatly enhanced when we have a fuller understanding of the God's covenant relationship with Israel. Thank you for providing us with additional insights! You wrote: " I do believe that Yeshua is the Messiah, but I find it interesting that the idea of a coming “Messiah”was a Rabbinic tradition rather than Biblical, while the Bible calls the coming one a “Prophet”. " Please explain what you mean by this statement. Daniel refers to the coming of Messiah. So how is this a Rabbinic tradition? So you are to know and discern that from the issuing of a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince there will be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; it will be built again, with plaza and moat, even in times of distress. Dan 9:25 Blessings, Mommapbs |
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3 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53291 | ||
Shalom Mommapbs; Thank you for the welcome, I have been impressed with the politeness and sincerity in the forums and am thankful for the warm welcome you and everyone else have given to me. I know that my beliefs are quit a bit different from most in this forum but I hope that I can learn from others and that I can contribute to others in their learning as well. Concerning the comments above. While many believe the “messiah” (Meshiach in Hebrew which means “anointed”) in Daniel 9:25 to be Yeshua/Jesus, but this is an interpretation. I always stress that we must make a distinction between what the passage actually says and how we interpret it. I do not believe that this “messiah” is referring to Yeshua as this anointed will set up the abomination in the Temple. I believe that the anointed one in this verse to be one of the Ceasers. While it seems strange for us to think of a non-Jew as a “Messiah”, Isaiah 45:1 identifies Cyrus, the Persian King, as a Messiah. Isaiah 45:1 "This is what the LORD says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut: Daniel 9:25 does not identify the Messiah but some interpret it as Yeshua and others as Ceaser, basing the interpretation on the surrounding verses and how they are interpreted. I hope this explains my position on my previous statement. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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4 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Mommapbs | 53295 | ||
Greetings! With all due respect, as I read this passage in Daniel, there are two distinct individuals: "Messiah the Prince" (v 25) and "the prince who is to come" (v 26). In verse 27 we read, "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate." WHO is "he?" WHO is "one who makes desolate?" Thanks for the discussion! Blessisngs, Mommapbs PS: On a personal note, I read in your profile that you are a follower of the teachings of God and his Prophet Yeshua the Messiah. For you, is Yeshua different from other "messiahs" mentioned in Scripture? How? |
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5 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53310 | ||
Shalom Mommapbs; I dont think we want to go into a long discussion on this passage, maybe in another forum. Let me just say that we spend a great deal of time searching out these passages in their original Hebrew (the English translations often translate according to the religion of the individual or group). At the conclusion we were convinced that the anointed one could not be Yeshua. About your P.S. Yeshua is the Hebrew name for Jesus, the same Messiah Prophet as found in the New Testament. Shalom Simchat Torah. |
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6 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | srbaegon | 53312 | ||
Hello Simchat Torah You better go back and look again. Matthew 16:16 (ESV) Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." Steve |
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7 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53314 | ||
Shalom Steve; I am afraid that I do not understand what you are pointing to here. Could you please clarify this for me. Thank you. Shalom Simchat Torah |
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8 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | srbaegon | 53315 | ||
Hello Simchat Torah Simply that Simon Peter called Jesus the Christ (i.e. Messiah, Anointed One). It was a plain identification of who the Lord was and is. To say He is not the Messiah prophecied in the OT is a gross misunderstanding of Jesus' person. Steve |
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9 | self control / spirit control | 1 Cor 9:25 | Simchat Torah | 53317 | ||
Shalom Steve; I may not have made myself clear previously and for this I apologize. What I intended to say is that no where in the Old Testament is there a promise of a coming Messiah (with the possible exception of Dan 9:26, which I do not see as Yeshua), but there is a promise of a coming prophet. Yeshua is called a prophet several times in the New Testament. Many are not aware of the origins of the idea that Israel would receive a Messiah. During the “inter-testemal;” period, the Messianic passages were formulated and attributed to the coming Messiah, long before Yeshua was even born. By the time Yeshua came, the Pharisees/Rabbis had formulated a very comprehensive view of the future messiah. Yeshua came as that Messiah, but I believe more importantly he came as the promised Prophet of Duet 18:5. The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. Btw, when you study the ancient Rabbinic beliefs of the Messiah, I find a very interesting turn of events. The Jewish Rabbis formulated the Messianic passages, which Yeshua fulfilled. Christians reject the Rabbis but hold onto the messianic passages. Modern Jews hold onto the Rabbis but reject the messianic formulas they created. Shalom Simchat Torah This in no way nullifies the New Testaments claims that Yeshua is the |
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