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1 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | STRIVING | 58136 | ||
can anyone give me insight on job 1:8-10. i am going to preach on this and any highlights would be appreciated. | ||||||
2 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | stjones | 58204 | ||
Hi, STRIVING; I am preaching Job 1-2 in two weeks myself. Two things that I have noticed about this pasage: 1) Job is a sinner just the like the rest of us. It seems to me that Job's righteousness must be similar to Abraham's: "Abram believed the Lord, and he credited it to him as righteousness." (Genesis 15:6) In effect, Job was righteous because God said he was, not because he was perfect. 2) God started the whole thing, a very loving thing to do. God had everything to lose and nothing to gain by this contest between Job and Satan. God made himself vulnerable by the confidence he placed in Job. If Job failed, God would have lost to Satan; Job was God's champion. God also loves us, so he ensured that the story would be recorded and preserved. In some ways, God's willingness to become vulnerable in this instance prefigures Jesus' willingness to make himself vulnerable to the cross. Hope this is useful to you. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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3 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | John Reformed | 58205 | ||
Dear Steve, May God bless you in all wisdom and grace as you stand against creeping liberalism in the church. You wrote: If Job failed, God would have lost to Satan; Job was God's champion. Question: Was it not God Himself who enabled Job to overcome? And, is it even possible for God to fail? Your Brother, John |
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4 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | stjones | 58224 | ||
Hi, John; Thanks for the encouragement. The grain of faith that Job held onto was certainly a gift of God and God knew that it would sustain him. But if we have free will, Job could have followed his wife's advice to "curse God and die". God can't fail; Job could have. I think the story exists in part because it was important for both Job and us to see this victory. This is reminiscent of God's testing of Abraham. God knew that Abraham's faith and obedience were such that he was indeed prepared to sacrifice Isaac. It was Abraham (and us) who needed to know. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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5 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | John Reformed | 58255 | ||
Good Morning Steve, You wrote "But if we have free will, Job could have followed his wife's advice to "curse God and die". "Free Will" is a term that is desperately in need of definiton. A word search pulled up quite a few verses in which "freewill" is always in relationship with "offerings" and is defined as "voluntariness". Voluntary refers to one's liberty to do or not do something. What it does not refer to is one's ability to perform a particular action. For instance: I may want to give an offering of 1000 dolars to the Lord (I have the liberty to do so) however my finances show I only have 50 dollars to my name (I do not have the ability to do so). Man is free (has the liberty) to do good or evil. But man has the ABILITY to do only evil because of his fallen nature. Deut 30:19 "I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants," John 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day." Even as christians our ability to do good and shun evil is imperfect. We are hampered by our sin nature and require God's grace to perform that which is pleasing to Him. Eph 2:10 "For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them." Steve you wrote "God can't fail; Job could have." Job was God's instrument in this battle against Satan. Here we have the King sending forth His champion to defeat the King's enemy. Job is God's surrogate, If he fails, that failure reflects upon the King. Why? Because Job was God's choice. The reason why our victory over Satan is certain, lies not in our strength or talent or virtue but in God's gracious provision for us. Soli Deo Gloria, John |
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6 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | stjones | 58256 | ||
Hi, John; As I said, it was God's gift of faith, not Job's virtue or strength, that won the day. Job could have chosen to act on something other than the faith (and strength) that God gave him. He had both the liberty and the ability to just "curse God and die". God knew that Job would make the right choice but God did not force him to make it. God both initiated the contest and selected Job as his champion. From God's perspective outside of time, I imagine it was a safe move. From ours, it was a risk that teaches us a lot about God's love and the imporance he attaches to us. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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7 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | EdB | 58258 | ||
Steve Now let me complement you on this excellent post. I totally agree. EdB |
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8 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | stjones | 58259 | ||
Why, thanks, EdB; We've got a real mutual admiration society going here. ;-) Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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9 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | EdB | 58261 | ||
Steve Maybe we should have theme song. As I have said to Kalos at times, "great minds think alike!" :-) EdB |
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10 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | stjones | 58264 | ||
As a good, reformed Presbyterian, I vote for "A Mighty Fortress is Our God". But I'd gladly settle for "Amazing Grace". Indy |
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11 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | EdB | 58265 | ||
Steve It's settled "A Mighty Fortress is Our God", now can you sing cause I sound like an angry cat stuck in a bucket. :-) Thou I do make a joyful noise!!!! EdB |
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12 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | stjones | 58270 | ||
EdB; You must be a tenor; I'm a bass. Does kalos sing? Indy (who's beginning to think we may be outside the forum rules.... |
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13 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | srbaegon | 58271 | ||
Hello Steve Can I join? I can sing high tenor. Steve (We might be a tad outside the boundaries.) |
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14 | a righteous man | Job 1:8 | Makarios | 58277 | ||
I'm definitely a tenor, my friend! :) - Makarios (Yes, we are probably outside the boundaries..) |
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