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NASB | John 5:19 ¶ Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 5:19 ¶ So Jesus answered them by saying, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself [of His own accord], unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever things the Father does, the Son [in His turn] also does in the same way. |
Subject: First Century Second Coming? |
Bible Note: ""Paul (and who am I to second guess Paul?) was warning his first century audience, THEY should fully expect Jesus to return to THEM. Was he misleading them? Jesus was to return like a “thief in the night”, but his followers would not to be caught unaware. They would see it coming, they would NOT be surprised!" Hi, Fatherof4! I see that it is futile for me to attempt to wrench you from what you so firmly believe... you insinuate that I bend Scripture to serve my interpretation, and yet you interpret Scripture with your own sense of finality... Have I understood you correctly... do you mean to say that we no longer need to be at our best in fear of Christ finding us behaving as the unrighteous servant? Do you mean to state that we are living in the New Jerusalem or do you mean to state that Christ's Second Coming came and left and there was no one to document His arrival? We must learn to read Scripture with a humble heart and mind... allowing the Holy Spirit to guide us to God's Truth! Maran atha! God Bless! Angel" Hi, Xerxes! On my final post to Father of 4 I closed, as far as I am concerned, this thread: He will never convince me of his choice of Second Coming... and I can never convince him to read Scripture and accept Scripture rather than man's interpretation of Scripture. You tagged this post, which I though would be my final one on this matter, and offered a duality of responses which in effect issues forth the ole "I'm OK, you're OK" complacency... The Jehovah Witnesses hold that Christ is a mere human with somewhat "gifted and talented" superhuman abilities... they cite, erroneously, their interpretations of Scripture on which they base their idiologies... the fact is that I cannot meet them half way! Christ is either God or He is not! It is the same for this topic: Christ either came and went or is yet to come; sadly even the Apostles believed, for a while, that Jesus' Coming would be within their lifetime... Did not happened! This became a hot topic within the Church... to the point that Peter, Paul and others had to issue writings indicating that the Lord's Coming had not taken effect and that His delay was due to two factors: a) God's Way is not ours (1000 years but 1 day), and b) He is Coming, yet He is patient--wanting that all (as many as will believe in Him) be saved! You cannot see this, for this I cannot apologize! But you did note my forcefulness in offering both Scripture and personal understanding of the Second Coming and you were offended by some of my statements, for that I apologize! I do want to remind you of part of your statements: “The questions were to provoke to edification.” I do not judge you, your words judge you--you presented an argument for both sides to consider as fact... this in essence simply serves to neutralize the argument: which neutralizes the doctrine of the Second Coming! I cannot agree with you on both counts! If it were simply a matter of scholars' inference we would certainly be in a heep of trouble--as those scholars in Jude and Peter who are but emptiness, wind, clouds being led by whatever surfaces into their circle of "intellect." This is a matter of Faith--we either accept Scripture or we do not. For this reason I referenced Jesus' words in Revelation! There is no double-mindedness in the Apostles! They were misled by their human intellect to think that Jesus stated that He would certainly come again within their lifetime, yet when taught by the Holy Spirit that to God "imminent" does not mean a specific amount of "human" time but rather the very next act within the Divine Plan, they accepted this Truth and made it known to the discples that the Lord's Coming is imminent but within God's Plan! Again, I apologize for any hurt that my words may have caused you--not being a scholar, I tend to allow my arguments to reflect my conviction without seeking to negociate Scripture by accepting the arguments that may seem to offer logic... My resolution comes from the various assaults on Christ's Divinity where many issue forth impelling arguments based on their interpretation of some Scripture passages while ignoring all of the Scripture that command that we Worship and Glorify Christ, the Eternal Emmanuel, the God of the Amen, the One who holds everything in His hands! Maran atha! God Bless! Angel |