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NASB | John 5:19 ¶ Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 5:19 ¶ So Jesus answered them by saying, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself [of His own accord], unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever things the Father does, the Son [in His turn] also does in the same way. |
Subject: First Century Second Coming? |
Bible Note: Listen Angel, you aren't saying anything I haven't heard before. Nor are you saying anything that I potentially disagree with. I expressed clearly that I am not disposed to either position. Personally, I see holes in what you are saying. I don't know if you read all my posts on this subject. I gave a reasonable explanation on the "coming in clouds" that you have not acknowledged, and I see no reason to express it a second time. Also, your Corinthians example is clearly talking about the dead being glorified in new bodies because the bodies we have now are mortal and cannot inherit the kingdom of God. Now, in part one, I feel the need to say that I resent you implying that I am "luke warm," and will thus, according to the scriptures, be spewed out of Christ's mouth. Being undecided due to a lack of understanding about the Revelation does not make me "neither hot nor cold." My walk with God is plenty strong, and I am an active Christian. I am by no means complacent or lazy about what I believe, what I study, or what I do with the knowledge I have. Confusion over apocalyptic literature is not an uncommon thing, and I would exhort you to refrain from judging others in regard to such literature. I recognize and acknowledge your position on the matter, but the preterist position makes a strong case as well. Both sides have been studied and researched by scholars for hundreds of years. Preterism is not a minority sect. It is just as prominent as its rival, and I choose not to put on blinders against either position. I would exhort you also to purchase some books on the subject of preterism so you may learn in greater detail what the position is, what sources they take from, how they explain certain key passages, etc. A good book I can recommend is "Before Jerusalem Fell" by Dr. Kenneth Gentry. There are also a few by Dr. David? Chilton. (You'll have to double check that first name). A Revelation study is not as cut and dry as you might like to make it. Each person is disposed to a particular view based on whichever argument seems most credible to them. You find the premillenialist argument most credible. Dr. Gentry, a pastor with a degree, and Dr. Chilton, also a pastor with a degree, find the preterist argument more credible (this is not to imply or suggest that you are not qualified or certified, only that Drs. Gentry and Chilton are not blowing smoke because they read two passages and twisted them, but are in fact well read and have degrees to prove it). I appreciate the time you've put into your reply. I read it thoroughly, gave it consideration, but have determined that you are either unwilling or unable to discuss this topic objectively, so I will put an end to it here before it turns to strife. Again, I thank you for the time you put into your response. It was not ignored. Xerxes |