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NASB | John 5:19 ¶ Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | John 5:19 ¶ So Jesus answered them by saying, "I assure you and most solemnly say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself [of His own accord], unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever things the Father does, the Son [in His turn] also does in the same way. |
Subject: First Century Second Coming? |
Bible Note: Tim, It is plain that you are not being objective here. The "kings" I counted are the kings the Jews would have recognized as "kings," regardless of the Senatorial decrees. This line of kings is consistent with scripture, fulfills all three enumerations of kings without any play on words, provides for the number of the beast at the appointed time, and gives a simple and adequate representation of Rome's role in the scheme of things. The number of the beast should be added because the wisdom tells us to "count" it. What good is the wisdom if no one can ever figure it out? If Nero was not the one, but someone else will be in the future, how will we know? By means of trigonometry? And again, there is no transliteration involved. The name is pronounced one way in Greek. It is pronounced another way in Latin. Whichever way it is pronounced, written in Hebrew according to the pronunciation, it "counts" to the two respective numbers. I found the both of them in an hour. It only took me as long as it took to learn how to write the name in Hebrew according to each pronunciation, then to count them. This, I did not find, was difficult or challenging. I assert these things as "possibilities," not facts. The method being used both for the kings and the number is very simple, and I have not had to twist anything to my purposes. Again, the kings are the kings as recognized from a Jewish perspective, and the number is the counted name as written in Hebrew by Jews according to pronunciation. Again, I wish to express, before it gets shuffled to the back shelf: I am of neither persuasion. What I am expressing here is the argument from the preterist point of view in order that you may be challenged and provoked to edification. I want that understood so as to prevent strife. It is not my goal to make you or anyone else angry over a "fun" debate, which is what I consider this. It is good entertainment to test the theories and sharpen one another. Xerxes |