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1 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | hobbzilla | 83111 | ||
justme: I agree whole-heartily with your assessment of the divorce situation in America and the stance of many churches. I don't believe that you will find a church on this planet that teaches the precise will of God and obeys it to even the smallest stroke of the pen. Churches are run by man and thus subject to man's false interpretations and folly. justme et al: Obviously I was not trying to imply that there is ever a case that a sinless believer would ever be party to a divorce. But all I am stating is that there are cases where God permits (Mt. 19:9; Deut 24:1-4) or in some instances even COMMANDS (Ezra 10:10-17) the act of divorce in a marriage. I agree with you entirely, permitting a divorce is not the same as commanding a divorce.. so obviously in a situation where a spouse commits sexual immorality the innocent spouse (not innocent in sin altogether, but innocent in the act of porneia) has been given permission under scripture to divorce her is then without sin in the ACTION of divorce (not his actions leading up to the divorce, not loving her like Christ loves the church is a sin, or committing adultery of the heart is a sin.. which I do NOT believe to fall within the definition of term used 'porneia' - which I have heard some people say that my spouse had impure thoughts, so thus he committed adultery according to Jesus (Mat 5:28) therefore I am permitted to divorce him -- again ignorance of the word used to justify a fleshy action.. which is what a lot of church goers seem to parrot-speak in circumstances they have not gone through, and know very little about, scriptural speaking.) However, I believe a caveat exists: If God specifically COMMANDS you in your own special circumstance (an angel of the Lord, a vision, the Holy Spirit, a burning bush, etc. etc.) to NOT file for divorce then obviously your act of disobedience in filing for a divorce (although fully "permitted" in the scripture) would be a sin! To see this in a simple yet clear example is to read Mat 1:19-24. Of note here is also the term "divorce" when Joseph was going to divorce Mary quietly so that she would not be possibly stoned or her family disgraced (which was accounted to him as being righteous - a note for all of the believers who read this who's spouse has committed sexual immorality against them bringing this fact to light to disgrace your spouse publicly is therefore read by me as NOT righteous. Also of note is that at this point Joseph and Mary were not 'ceremonially married' but bound to one another in marriage nonetheless). Thus as I stated and believe: not in _every_ case is the ACT of divorce itself a sin, but in ALL cases the act of divorce is CAUSED by sin. Perhaps a moot point to some... but in the circumstance where a believer divorces his wife for sexual immorality, I believe it is wrong to tell him by signing the divorce papers he is knowingly about to commit a sin. Your thoughts? -zilla |
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2 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | justme | 83115 | ||
hobbzilla: You have some very good points, and I find it refreshing the way you make your dialogue point by point, in logical sequence. I attempt to state things as they should be in a strick Biblical fundimentalistic mannor. However in the reality of the situation ethical mode we as Christians tend to react to most situations, I find that often fundimential Biblical truths are ignored. I noticed we both have used the example of the wife being unfaithful, which is far less often the case. Our Christian lifestyle in todays world is barely different from the world in general. The facts are today we have stepfathers sexually abusing their step daughters, and all kinds of males and females involved in other devient acts. On occasion we hear of those in ministry whose conduct is repugnant, a shame to the name of Christ and His Church. I will state my personal views, and say my understanding for Biblical divorce externds beyond sexual infidelity. Unfaithness encompasses far more than just a sexual act. In our world there grounds for divorce for addictions that are beyond listing, neglect, gambeling, non support, and again the list is too long. Perhaps what I am attempting to say is "hardness of heart" is wide in scope in todays world. Some as according to Romans 1. have taken the path that leads to distruction. The question is how does a husband or wife know when "God has handed them over..."? There are those who have choosen a path that has no turning around. I do believe faith that falters, had a flaw from the first. I do believe in eternal security, but sometimes the call is only known by Jesus Himself. I hope, I am not sounding wishy washy, but divorce, adultery, and all sins are forgiven exactly the same way, are they not? I do have deep compassion for sinners, whom I stand in line by my own conviction of the Holy Spirit. By the Grace of God I am a saved sinner. Blessings. justme |
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