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1 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | hobbzilla | 82913 | ||
Please tell why you believe that divorce is a sin! Divorce is not always a sin. It is always caused by sin, but is not an act of disobedience when permitted by God. God Himself admits to divorcing Israel (Jer. 3:8). Did God sin? I think not! |
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2 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | justme | 82927 | ||
HARDNESS OF HEART IS SIN! Divorce is hardness of heart toward the mate and God. There is no sinless divorce! justme |
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3 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | hobbzilla | 82932 | ||
Okay, so when Jesus said, "whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery", which is equivelent to saying if a husband's wife commits sexual immorality and he divorces her and marries another -- he does not commit adultery upon remarrying. But you are stating that he commits the sin of "hardness of heart" upon the initial act of divorcing his adulterous wife? That would lead one to believe that since God permitted him to divorce under this circumstance then God permitted that sin to occur. (Do you believe that God permits you to divorce upon those grounds?? - some do not.) Divorcing the adulterous wife in and of itself doesn't cause the wife to sin.. granted, the act of her sexual immorality was sin. So, if you believe that God permits a divorce of this kind, then God permits the husband to sin? God hates sin. Explain why would He permit it? As I stated I believe that divorce is ALWAYS caused by sin.. the sin that is the cause in this case is the adultery on behalf of the wife. But I don't believe that in this case the act of "divorce" was sin on either party. |
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4 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | justme | 83108 | ||
hobbzilla: I understand your point. I am not arguing the offended person can't divorce, as that is an excape clause that is Biblical. I wonder is someone is just seeking a justifiable reason to find someone else who will love them better?. I find NO WHERE IN THE BIBLE it says you HAVE to divorce. Again, the reason for the divorce is some can't forgive unfaithfullness. Clearly the issue of not being able to trust and the shame of broken vows, are painful and affect the very heart of every ones soul. However, when the offended party divorces, rather than taking the example of Hosea, who is the picture of Christ redeeming us, we rush to a lawyer! Should we not look at the examples of Hosea and Jesus? There are no innocent people in a marriage, affairs are the tip of the iceburg in a marriage. There is some fault (sin) on both of the marriage partners. In counseling a good number of couples, have never come across simular situations, that there was not blame on both partners. No one is without some blame in a divorce. The problem is when we say in our vows before God and others "for better or worse, in sickness and health, till death us do part" is not taken literally! That is what was vowed to each other and God! Covemant marriage is sipmply not understood today! We do not honnor our vows, why? Matthew 18:21-35 is a perfect illustration of perfect forgiveness. The crust of it is we are not able to forgive, and divorce is allowed because of hardness of heart! I believe heardness of the heart is at the root of most marriages being terminated? The question is will God gorgive us for divorcing our mate? Reguardless of the reason? Lets go astep further and say a mate leaves for some one else. Then they marry. Somewhere the come to the point they face the sin they have done, what are they todo? The Bible says you can't go back to your previous partner. So now what? May I suggest that King David is a excellent example. Acknowledge the sin, confess it, seek forgivness, and reconcile with the Lord Jesus who said "sin no more". It is a serious problem how Clergy today are marring anyone, no matter what the sin is. The answer lies that if Clergy worked as hard for restoration of marriages broken appart, as they do in preparing for the wedding, perhaps there would be a change. I have seem many churches with divorce classes, and single parents, but I have NEVER seen a class for restoration of broken marriages! Why not? The Church (world wide Christian believers) are so willing to be tollerant, and afraid to say to a couple that divorce for Christians should not be an option! Anyone who thinks marriage does not require lots of forgivness and work to keep it alive, is doomed for failure. I have before God and my wife and family, I've been far less that I should have been. In a few months we will celebrate 34 years of marriage. Have I ever made some bad choices (sins)? Yes I have, and the older I get, I am blessed to have the wife I have. The same is true for my relationship with Jesus Christ. I would think Jesus would get so sick of me confessing and seeking forgiveness that He should have given up on me long ago! The sin of adultery is just a cause and effect of deeper problems! There is no such thing as one sided blame. Sure the person in adultery is wrong, but if things were right in the marriage then open arms might not have been so tempting. No one is without sin, and to think there is an innocent partner is nieve, and denial of both partners failure no matter how small. Problems and hurts do follow from one marriage into the next! The chances for a second marriage making it are very poor at best! Better to work through problems, unless there is no hope, and who knows that except the Lord? Only when some one remarries is hope dead. I ask, is someone looking for a "Biblical out"? I may seem harsh, and I have seen enough broken homes to tear the heart out of children, Grandparents, and the people involved with marriage which broke up. I have grieved as friends, and church members parted. I have said if I feel this hurt how does God feel? Think on what I've said and give me your thoughts. justme |
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5 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | hobbzilla | 83111 | ||
justme: I agree whole-heartily with your assessment of the divorce situation in America and the stance of many churches. I don't believe that you will find a church on this planet that teaches the precise will of God and obeys it to even the smallest stroke of the pen. Churches are run by man and thus subject to man's false interpretations and folly. justme et al: Obviously I was not trying to imply that there is ever a case that a sinless believer would ever be party to a divorce. But all I am stating is that there are cases where God permits (Mt. 19:9; Deut 24:1-4) or in some instances even COMMANDS (Ezra 10:10-17) the act of divorce in a marriage. I agree with you entirely, permitting a divorce is not the same as commanding a divorce.. so obviously in a situation where a spouse commits sexual immorality the innocent spouse (not innocent in sin altogether, but innocent in the act of porneia) has been given permission under scripture to divorce her is then without sin in the ACTION of divorce (not his actions leading up to the divorce, not loving her like Christ loves the church is a sin, or committing adultery of the heart is a sin.. which I do NOT believe to fall within the definition of term used 'porneia' - which I have heard some people say that my spouse had impure thoughts, so thus he committed adultery according to Jesus (Mat 5:28) therefore I am permitted to divorce him -- again ignorance of the word used to justify a fleshy action.. which is what a lot of church goers seem to parrot-speak in circumstances they have not gone through, and know very little about, scriptural speaking.) However, I believe a caveat exists: If God specifically COMMANDS you in your own special circumstance (an angel of the Lord, a vision, the Holy Spirit, a burning bush, etc. etc.) to NOT file for divorce then obviously your act of disobedience in filing for a divorce (although fully "permitted" in the scripture) would be a sin! To see this in a simple yet clear example is to read Mat 1:19-24. Of note here is also the term "divorce" when Joseph was going to divorce Mary quietly so that she would not be possibly stoned or her family disgraced (which was accounted to him as being righteous - a note for all of the believers who read this who's spouse has committed sexual immorality against them bringing this fact to light to disgrace your spouse publicly is therefore read by me as NOT righteous. Also of note is that at this point Joseph and Mary were not 'ceremonially married' but bound to one another in marriage nonetheless). Thus as I stated and believe: not in _every_ case is the ACT of divorce itself a sin, but in ALL cases the act of divorce is CAUSED by sin. Perhaps a moot point to some... but in the circumstance where a believer divorces his wife for sexual immorality, I believe it is wrong to tell him by signing the divorce papers he is knowingly about to commit a sin. Your thoughts? -zilla |
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6 | divorce is not always a sin. | 1 Cor 7:15 | justme | 83115 | ||
hobbzilla: You have some very good points, and I find it refreshing the way you make your dialogue point by point, in logical sequence. I attempt to state things as they should be in a strick Biblical fundimentalistic mannor. However in the reality of the situation ethical mode we as Christians tend to react to most situations, I find that often fundimential Biblical truths are ignored. I noticed we both have used the example of the wife being unfaithful, which is far less often the case. Our Christian lifestyle in todays world is barely different from the world in general. The facts are today we have stepfathers sexually abusing their step daughters, and all kinds of males and females involved in other devient acts. On occasion we hear of those in ministry whose conduct is repugnant, a shame to the name of Christ and His Church. I will state my personal views, and say my understanding for Biblical divorce externds beyond sexual infidelity. Unfaithness encompasses far more than just a sexual act. In our world there grounds for divorce for addictions that are beyond listing, neglect, gambeling, non support, and again the list is too long. Perhaps what I am attempting to say is "hardness of heart" is wide in scope in todays world. Some as according to Romans 1. have taken the path that leads to distruction. The question is how does a husband or wife know when "God has handed them over..."? There are those who have choosen a path that has no turning around. I do believe faith that falters, had a flaw from the first. I do believe in eternal security, but sometimes the call is only known by Jesus Himself. I hope, I am not sounding wishy washy, but divorce, adultery, and all sins are forgiven exactly the same way, are they not? I do have deep compassion for sinners, whom I stand in line by my own conviction of the Holy Spirit. By the Grace of God I am a saved sinner. Blessings. justme |
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