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1 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127709 | ||
Angel. Thank you for the well referenced reply. Re-read those scriptures. Doesn't it strike you that these events were to come upon THAT very generation in the first century? By what basis do you split Matt 16:27 and 28? It seems to me that these are one and the same event. Supported by Luke 21:31-33 in regard to THAT generation. You say no date is set, but the scriptures you cited seem to demonstrate that to the original audience that THEY should be expecting Jesus return in Judgement upon their OWN generation. I don't see any reason here that we should be still expecting these events to occur sometime in our own generation or in a future generation. It Jesus contempories who were to "keep watch." The apostate Jews were literally "cut to pieces' in AD 70. "the secret power of lawlessness" was already at work in the first century, and the lawless one was already being held back at that time. Which tells me, again, that these events were all first century events. |
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2 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | srbaegon | 127713 | ||
Hello Fatherof4, Matt 16:28 was fulfilled in Matt 17:1-13. They saw His kingdom in its glory. In Luke 21:31-33 Jesus is speaking of the generation that will see these future signs would not pass away. He isn't speaking of those listening to Him. Steve |
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3 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127715 | ||
Steve, Step back and read all of Matthew 16. Does is really make sense to split off the last verse as to referring to something different? "the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels" is the same as "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." So where is the "reward each person according to what he has done." In the Transfiguration. When Jesus says "I tell you the truth" or "Verily I say unto you", he is always referring to the point he just made. As far as Luke 21:31-33, put yourself in the place of the original audience. Wouldn't you think that YOU were to "see these things happening" in YOUR generation? The kicker is that this generation did witness "Jeruslem surrounded by armies" (Luke 21:20) during the seige by the Romans leading up to Jerusalem's destruction in AD 70. |
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4 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Emmaus | 127718 | ||
Fatherof4, Much as I like the preterist position in many aspects, hyperpreterism has a big problem: death. People are still dying (separation of body and soul)and according to scripture at Christ's return the last enemy to be conquered is death (1 Cor. 15:26). The Church everywhere still says Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus! in her prayer and did so even after the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in A.D. 70. See the Didache for an early second century example written about A.D.100-110. "May your grace come and this world pass away." If the present state of victory over death is the only one, with no hope of the resurrectrion of the body when Jesus comes, then "we are the most pitiable of all men." (1 Cor.15:19). The only way hyperpreterism can deal with this is to shoehorn certain passages in to a preconceived mold to make the scripture fit the theory rather than the other way around. Emmaus |
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5 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127719 | ||
Emmaus, 1 Cor. 15:26 refers to spiritual death. The same spiritual death that came upon Adam in the Garden of Eden. Paul is explaining that in v.44 "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." Note in v. 56-57 "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." There Christ was victorious over (spiritual) death through his sacrifice. Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The end of the Law was culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jesus fulfilled the law therefore overcoming sin and death. The case for full preterism can be made from the scriptures without straying into uninspired writings. However, I could cite early church fathers who also held preterist-type views. (On Matthew 24:3,34) "But our Master did not prophesy after this fashion; but, as I have already said, being a prophet by an inborn and every-flowing Spirit, and knowing all things at all times, He confidently set forth, plainly as I said before, sufferings, places, appointed times, manners, limits. Accordingly, therfore, prophesying concerning the temple, He said: "See ye these buildings? Verily I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another which shall not be taken away [Matt. 24:3]; and this generation shall not pass until the destruction begin [Matt. 24:34]. . . ." And in like manner He spoke in plain words the things that were straightway to happen, which we can now see with our eyes, in order that the accomplishment might be among those to whom the word was spoken. (Clementine Homilia, 3:15.) |
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6 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Emmaus | 127730 | ||
Fatherof4, As I said, shoehorning a passage into a theory. Paul was speaking of the respurrection of the body. Did Jesus rise in the body? Yes. Wass it different? yes But still a body that ate and could be touched along with its other supernatural qualities. Is the bodily resurrection of Jesus the pattern that we are to follow? Yes. Has that happened yet for those who have died in faith? No. So, we wait with joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Emmaus |
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