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1 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | JCrichton | 127612 | ||
For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." (Matthew 16:27-28) Hi, Fatherof4! There are many passages in the Bible that seem crystal clear... on the surface! There are two different time frames spoken about on Matthew 16:27-28: Though while is true that verse 27 clearly speaks on the future events of Jesus Christ's Second Coming, no date is set for this revelation to be fulfilled (Matthew 25:13; Luke 12:46; John 5:28-29; Mark 13:32; 1 Thessalonians 4:15 thru 5:25--specially: Matthew 24:36, 2 Thessalonians 2:1-10): 2 Peter 3 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles. First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation." But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens existed and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men. But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare. Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness. So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. (2 Peter 3:2-14) Conversely, verse 28 speaks not on Jesus’ Second Coming but on the revelation of the Kingdom of God being at hand (though this succession of events will be unfolding within a specific time frame it is also a type for the events to come at the Second Coming): I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit. At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people. (John 5:25, Matthew 27:50-53) They will put you out of the synagogue; in fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God. They will do such things because they have not known the Father or me. I have told you this, so that when the time comes you will remember that I warned you. I did not tell you this at first because I was with you. "But a time is coming, and has come, when you will be scattered, each to his own home. You will leave me all alone. Yet I am not alone, for my Father is with me. (John 16:2-4, 32) Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. "I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away (Luke 21:31-33) See also: John 17:1-5; Mark 1:15; Luke 10:11; Matthew 17:1-8; John 20:19-23, 26-29; 21:1-14; Luke 24:13-32, 36-53 and Acts 2:1-47) God Bless! Angel |
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2 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127709 | ||
Angel. Thank you for the well referenced reply. Re-read those scriptures. Doesn't it strike you that these events were to come upon THAT very generation in the first century? By what basis do you split Matt 16:27 and 28? It seems to me that these are one and the same event. Supported by Luke 21:31-33 in regard to THAT generation. You say no date is set, but the scriptures you cited seem to demonstrate that to the original audience that THEY should be expecting Jesus return in Judgement upon their OWN generation. I don't see any reason here that we should be still expecting these events to occur sometime in our own generation or in a future generation. It Jesus contempories who were to "keep watch." The apostate Jews were literally "cut to pieces' in AD 70. "the secret power of lawlessness" was already at work in the first century, and the lawless one was already being held back at that time. Which tells me, again, that these events were all first century events. |
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3 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | srbaegon | 127713 | ||
Hello Fatherof4, Matt 16:28 was fulfilled in Matt 17:1-13. They saw His kingdom in its glory. In Luke 21:31-33 Jesus is speaking of the generation that will see these future signs would not pass away. He isn't speaking of those listening to Him. Steve |
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4 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127715 | ||
Steve, Step back and read all of Matthew 16. Does is really make sense to split off the last verse as to referring to something different? "the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels" is the same as "the Son of Man coming in his kingdom." So where is the "reward each person according to what he has done." In the Transfiguration. When Jesus says "I tell you the truth" or "Verily I say unto you", he is always referring to the point he just made. As far as Luke 21:31-33, put yourself in the place of the original audience. Wouldn't you think that YOU were to "see these things happening" in YOUR generation? The kicker is that this generation did witness "Jeruslem surrounded by armies" (Luke 21:20) during the seige by the Romans leading up to Jerusalem's destruction in AD 70. |
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5 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Emmaus | 127718 | ||
Fatherof4, Much as I like the preterist position in many aspects, hyperpreterism has a big problem: death. People are still dying (separation of body and soul)and according to scripture at Christ's return the last enemy to be conquered is death (1 Cor. 15:26). The Church everywhere still says Maranatha! Come Lord Jesus! in her prayer and did so even after the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple in A.D. 70. See the Didache for an early second century example written about A.D.100-110. "May your grace come and this world pass away." If the present state of victory over death is the only one, with no hope of the resurrectrion of the body when Jesus comes, then "we are the most pitiable of all men." (1 Cor.15:19). The only way hyperpreterism can deal with this is to shoehorn certain passages in to a preconceived mold to make the scripture fit the theory rather than the other way around. Emmaus |
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6 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Fatherof4 | 127719 | ||
Emmaus, 1 Cor. 15:26 refers to spiritual death. The same spiritual death that came upon Adam in the Garden of Eden. Paul is explaining that in v.44 "it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body." Note in v. 56-57 "The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. But thanks be to God! He gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ." There Christ was victorious over (spiritual) death through his sacrifice. Jesus said he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. The end of the Law was culminated in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Jesus fulfilled the law therefore overcoming sin and death. The case for full preterism can be made from the scriptures without straying into uninspired writings. However, I could cite early church fathers who also held preterist-type views. (On Matthew 24:3,34) "But our Master did not prophesy after this fashion; but, as I have already said, being a prophet by an inborn and every-flowing Spirit, and knowing all things at all times, He confidently set forth, plainly as I said before, sufferings, places, appointed times, manners, limits. Accordingly, therfore, prophesying concerning the temple, He said: "See ye these buildings? Verily I say to you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another which shall not be taken away [Matt. 24:3]; and this generation shall not pass until the destruction begin [Matt. 24:34]. . . ." And in like manner He spoke in plain words the things that were straightway to happen, which we can now see with our eyes, in order that the accomplishment might be among those to whom the word was spoken. (Clementine Homilia, 3:15.) |
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7 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Emmaus | 127730 | ||
Fatherof4, As I said, shoehorning a passage into a theory. Paul was speaking of the respurrection of the body. Did Jesus rise in the body? Yes. Wass it different? yes But still a body that ate and could be touched along with its other supernatural qualities. Is the bodily resurrection of Jesus the pattern that we are to follow? Yes. Has that happened yet for those who have died in faith? No. So, we wait with joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ. Emmaus |
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