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1 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | Xerxes | 128155 | ||
Good afternoon everyone. I have read through this line of posts, and I have some questions for both sides. 1) Those arguing against the 1st century return: Jesus said his coming would be like a thief in the night, like lightning flashes from west to east, like in the days of Noah or Sodom, that they wouldn't know until it was too late. Is it possible that He came, and no one documented it because the nature of the return was such that no one but certain elect recognized it for what it was? Is it possible that He came, but no one saw it in the strictest sense as we expect because, like lightning flashes, the coming was over and done before they knew it, bringing in the New Kingdom with the destruction of Jerusalem? 2) Those arguing for a 1st century return: Do you have reasonable explanations for the post-apostolic writings that still expected His return? Besides the obvious wrath God took upon Jerusalem which is not conclusive to the return, only to judgment, do you have any other reason to believe the return took place? 3) Those arguing against a 1st century return, do you have an explanation to refute the coincidence that Nero Caesar counted in Hebrew equals 666 by the Hebrew numbering system, he persecuted the Christians for 42 full months (Dec. 64 - May 68), died by the sword, was one of seven rulers (Julius, Antony, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, Nero), one of which was slain (Julius), that Vespasian and Titus came to make war on Israel, speaking with the authority of Caesar while not being Caesar, and all this in accordance with Rev. 13? 4) Those arguing for a 1st century return: How do you reckon the thousand year reign spoken of in the Revelation without spiritualizing it into something metaphorical (barring any obvious context to suggest it should be viewed as such)? 5) Those arguing against a 1st century return: What explanation do you have for the plain statements in Matthew posted in this thread without spiritualizing them into something metaphorical to suggest that "here now" language is intended to represent "there then" meaning without any reasonable cause outside of premillenialism theology? 6) Those arguing for a 1st century return: What is your explanation of the two witnesses in Revelation that die for 3 1/2 days and are resurrected and taken up to heaven? As this is a preliminary to the return that doesn't take place until later in the book, do you have a reasonable/historical explanation for these two persons without spiritualizing them as metaphorical to substantiate a preterist theology? 7) Those arguing against a 1st century return: Do you have an explanation for the coincidence of approximately 3 years 7 months from the beginning of the seige around the passover of 66 until the destruction of the temple and Titus standing in the Holy of Holies in Tammuz/Ab of 70, and then roughly another month until the complete taking of Jerusalem in Elul of 70, all in accordance with Daniel who described 1290 days from the ceasing of the normal sacrifice (which happened after this last passover due to famine, then destruction of the temple proper) to the abomination that makes desolate standing in the Holy Place, then another month until upper Jerusalem was taken? 8) Those arguing for a 1st century return: If the return has happened already, and we are in the kingdom of Christ on earth, can you give an explanation why there is still horrible crime, etc., when God is supposed to wipe away all tears, and that there would be no more death? Please be objective, or stop discussing the topic. Some of you are already stepping over the line into insults, and that is not becoming of Christians. Xerxes |
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2 | First Century Second Coming? | John 5:19 | JCrichton | 128212 | ||
Hi, Xerxes! Part 1 of 2 You make a good argument for both sides... sadly, Jesus is interested in one side (be cold or hot)... on my posts on response to this thread I have stated that He has not return yet... I have use Scriptural fact... if anyone cares to read the Bible and allow the Holy Spirit to guide them, they will discover that there is no silent/selective Second Coming: Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen. (Revelation 1:7) This revelation was made by Jesus Christ to the Apostle John (Tradition holds that the author of Apocalypse--Revelation--is the Apostle John) has set no limitations upon the Lord's Second Coming... "EVERY EYE WILL SEE HIM," AND "ALL THE PEOPLES OF THE EARTH WILL MOURN!" If you or anyone else chooses to interpret this passage as "a select few" or "only those who have deciphered some special codes" or "only the believers" or "only the people of Israel" or any other "exclusive group," you are more than welcome to do so--but do not claim it to be Biblical. As the Lamb of God Jesus came to rescue humanity from sin, but not all humanity--only those who by believing in Him would become children of God! (John 1:12-13; 3:16-21; 3:36) As the promised Messiah, Jesus came to the children of Israel, but, as foretold by the prophecies, they rejected Him and crucified Him. (Isaiah 52:13 through 53:12; Luke 2:34; John 1:11; Romans 9:32-33; 1 Peter 2:6-10) Clearly, at His Second Coming, Jesus will not come to a select few; He will not be a sacrificial lamb... He will be the Judge--He who will Judge the living and the dead! He will not come to those who are descendants of Abraham according to the flesh only, but to all of the descendants of Abraham! And His Glory will be displayed for all to witness so that no man can claim innocence or ignorance! (Revelation 19:11-16) "Is it possible that He came, but no one saw it in the strictest sense as we expect because, like lightning flashes," Can you tell, when lightning flashes, which is the initial point, the middle point or the end point of the lightning? When lightning flashes our senses are consumed with awe and fear... further, light travels at quite an accelerated speed filling the skies from one end to another instantaneously! |
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