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NASB | Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 13:8 All the inhabitants of the earth will fall down and worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain [as a willing sacrifice]. |
Subject: Whose will causes a believer to sin? |
Bible Note: Greetings John! Thanks for the response my friend! Thanks for catching the type as well! ;-) You wrote: "They were free to choose spirtual good or ill, they chose ill. At the same time, God had known from all eternity that that would be their choice. He created them knowing what would occur." Finally, we do agree on one point! :-) But, you have previously said that God ordained every choice and action. So, we are back to the same question. Did Adam and Eve sin because they willed it or because God willed it? If the original sin of Adam and Eve was a direct result of God's ordained plan, then God is the author of sin. There is no way around this conclusion. If God is the author of Adam and Eve's sin, then He is also the direct cause of all the sins of those who followed Adam and Eve, who (according to your definition of freedom) followed the dictates of their fallen nature and sinned as well. This is where we part company. I do not believe that they Bible teaches that every single choice and action is ordained by God. There are some things which clearly are ordained - i.e. the death of Jesus. But, I believe that God sovereignly allowed man the freedom to choose to obey or disobey Him. This point has far reaching implications for the topic we have been discussing. I may not be able to respond to any comments for a day or two my friend. Today is the day I actually start moving. So, I will probably be offline until at least Wednesday. But, when I get back on, I will be operating at broadband speeds! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |