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NASB | Revelation 13:8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, everyone whose name has not been written from the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who has been slain. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Revelation 13:8 All the inhabitants of the earth will fall down and worship him, everyone whose name has not been written since the foundation of the world in the Book of Life of the Lamb who has been slain [as a willing sacrifice]. |
Subject: Whose will causes a believer to sin? |
Bible Note: Greetings Tim, "Okay, final post on my end for two reasons. One, I have to start moving! :-) Two, we are spinning our wheels here! :-)" ------------------------------------------------ Actually, I think my wheels are gaining traction! ------------------------------------------------- "First of all, I never once denied that 'all' in Rom. 8:28 means 'all'. But, neither does Rom. 8:28 that God ordains all things. It says, "And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him,....". There is a big difference in saying that God can take even my sin and work some good out of it and saying that God ordained my sin." ------------------------------------------------- I did not mean, by citing Romans 8:28, to imply that it proved pre-destination. What I had attepted to show that "all things", including our sins, "God works together for good". This verse also serves as an arguement against the possibility of losing our salvation. ------------------------------------------------- "Secondly, I wasn't ignoring Acts 4:26-28. It simply wasn't relevant to the question I had asked you my friend. We both agree that Christ was slain from the foundation of the world. We both agree that God can do whatever He wants!" ------------------------------------------------- The difference we have is that you say, "God CAN do whatever He wants", but, I say "God HAS done what He wanted to do." Acts 4:26-28 is one of the strongest and clearest proofs of God's soveriegn pre-ordination of eveything that has and will occur. At the same time it preserves man's freedom (those who crucified Christ meant it for evil but God meant it for good). ------------------------------------------------- "What we disagree on is whether man has any ability to choose to obey or disobey. I asked you about Christians who sin. Do they sin because God willed it or because they willed it? My understanding is that when I commit an act of sin I am disobeying God's will, not acting upon it." ------------------------------------------------- This would lead us into another area of theology. Jonathan Edwards wrote 250 years ago, "The Arminians ridicule the distinction between the secret and revealed will of God, or, more properly expressed, the distinction between the decree and the law of God; because we say he may decree one thing, and command another. And so, they argue, we hold a contrariety in God, as if one will of his contradicted another." Perhaps, after you have settled in, we might re-visit this fascinating and impotant topic. Your Brother in Christ, John Reformed |