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NASB | Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Subject: Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? |
Bible Note: "Historically, I don't know where the Christians were. I suppose YOU can 'historically' point to the church of Jesus Christ. Do YOU find the 'historical' church in the words of the post-nicene fathers?" I certainly do. The church certainly isn't infallible, but the redeemed of God had to have lived within the visible church, or else the church did not exist at all. "If so, you must think the reformers were just a lot of troublemakers." Not at all. Well,I guess they WERE, but that is the kind of trouble we all could use. However, the Reformers didnot think that Nicea was the end of the church. Luther and Calvin and Zwingli and the rest pointed to problems that developed much later than the 4th century. The Reformers set out to REFORM a church that had taken some very wrong turns, not to RESTORE a church that had ceased to exist. "Perhaps the true Christians were driven underground-figuratively speaking. Remember how, later on, the 'historical' church had fits when common people wanted to read the Bible? Some of those people were called heretics because they made the Bible available to other common people. The 'historical' church burned some of those people and made people afraid to speak out against the Pope. The inquisitors confiscated property of heretics who didn't believe like the Pope and.... Anyway, that's the only 'historical' church. Suffice to say, I know where the true church was not." You are talking about the interim between Nicea and the Reformation like it was the span of a few years or something. There was a period of about 1200 years between the two. The problems of the RCC that the Reformers pointed out did not spring up overnight. "If you think the Holy Roman Church is the church of the Bible, I think you are mistaken." Take a look at my user name. Read my profile. Do you honestly think I am an advocate for Roman Catholicism? But since you are praising the Reformers and the way they restored the church, please explain to me why Luther and Calvin not only did not get re-baptized after their coversions, but also defended infant baptism. If these men were Christians to be admired and are in heaven now, how did they get there without immersion? --Joe! |