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NASB | Romans 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 10:9 because if you acknowledge and confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord [recognizing His power, authority, and majesty as God], and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. |
Subject: Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? |
Bible Note: "I didn't say you can now be IMMORAL because the Old Law ended. Moral issues remain the same." The moral issues I mentioned were all included in the "Old" Law. Seems that the old may not be so old after all... "The particulars of how faith is demonstrated are different. Israelites had to be circumcised, go to three yearly feasts, etc." Israelite infants demonstrated their faith by being circumcised? "Abraham had to do the things God called him to do, and he had to do them by faith [i.e. he did not trust that his works saved him]." But we see that Abraham did not always do the things that pleased God. How much working by faith did he have to do before he was declared righteous? What does Romans 4:5 say? You wrote: 'God saves at the point of being baptized in faith. "You are sons of God through faith, for all of you who are baptized into Christ, have clothed yourselves with Christ."' This verse does not say that we are saved at the point of baptism. "The formula you mention has a glaring inconsistency, I think. faith/repentance is no different than saying faith/works." Well, since repentance is a change of mind (Gr. "metanoia"), it is not rightly considered a work, but rather an attitude adjustment in regard to one's personal sin. One could condider repentance to be an aspect of saving faith, since embracing Christ in faith requires a rejection of the previous love of one's sin. However, repentance (like faith) is not a work, but a state of mind that brings about works. But what was credited to Abraham (and to us) as righteousness? You wrote: "Baptism, when properly received, is not a WORK in the negative sense." I don't see anything commanded by God in Scripture that could be considered "a work in the negative sense." What works fall into this category? And where do you see the term "negative works" in Romans 4:1-5? And I say that a "faith" that doesn't result in works is not a real faith at all. Nonetheless, Romans 4 makes it transparent that Abraham was credited with righteousness prior to any works at all -- before circumcision, before the Isaac incident. Again, the order is important. Was Abraham justified before or after circumcision? --Joe! |