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1 | Can the "natural man" desire Christ? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88609 | ||
Say Hey Tim, I don't say that God does'nt call everyone or that those He calls can'nt respond. What I do say is, that unless God has mercy and gives them the grace to believe, the natural man will respond negatively, which is consistant with his fallen nature! Adam and Eve responded negatively, with blaming everyone else. Cain replied to God with deceit and a wise-guy remark! This seems to support my point! "I fully believe in the depravity of man. I just don’t believe, as it seems most Calvinists do, that being ‘spiritually dead’ means that a person is now just a lump of inanimate flesh incapable of making choices or thinking anymore! :-)" Now Tim...tut, tut..Is that a fair statement. At least my mis-characterization was based on rational deduction. But maybe the smiley face at the end was to indicate a joke. Because you know that your statement is absurd on it's (smiley) face. "So, it goes back to the extent of the atonement again! :-) You see Christ dying only for some and only drawing some." Uh-oh! Wrong again my friend. I see Christ dying for all the Father sent Him (the elect), and saving all for whom He died. You Said "I see Christ dying for all and drawing all." But not saving all? And, pray tell, who's fault is that. It can't be the Father or the Son for all that the Father gives to Jesus are raised up on the last day. It can't be the Holy Spirit for it His job to apply salvation to those the Father sends to the Son. Now we're back to where we started! :-( Frankly Tim, in this case, your logic escapes me. Your perplexed friend, John |
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2 | Can the "natural man" desire Christ? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88616 | ||
Greetings John! Concerning the 'dead man' illustration, I actually have heard Calvinist's push the arguement that dead men don't walk, dead men don't talk, ect.... Then, they would say, dead men can't respond. Well, since we are going in circles, I will close my part of the thread with my original position my friend. If you can provide me with Scripture which says that Christ did not die for all, or that Christ only died for some, I will accept your position whole heartedly. Until then, I will stand on 'all' means 'all', 'no one' means 'no one', 'everyone' means 'everyone', and 'whosoever' means 'whosoever'. :) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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