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1 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88699 | ||
Dear Tim, ::sniff::sniff:: I smell a copout ;-) j.k. Well, if you want to go by tradition, then it is also a well known fact of Jewish tradition that they held that Moses was "ressurected" a few days after he died,( I think it was three) hence the Jewish New Testament writer Jude talking about Moses and the devil contending over that ressurection. I used this text before to prove that Moses wasn't dead remember? Do you still want to use a well known practice among 1st Century Jews to explain something that to a bible student like you or myself can clearly see is an error? You can't string together a Messianic prophecy with something completely unrelated. I feel as if now you are having a hard time accepting this because it is new to you. (or have I presumed too much?) Like I said Tim, I was just as shocked to learn this fact. All throughout bible history, God has used men to spread his word. Because everything that is human is imperfect we must accept the idea of imperfections and mistakes in the bible. This doesn't change the message! Nor should it bring about any controversy. I believe there are many things that were verbally inspired in the bible like the ten commandments for example but the vessel in which the message was carried is imperfect. God chose imperfect man with his imperfect language to spread his message, not perfect angels. They used the vernacular and examples or sayings of the times that don't make sense today. Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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2 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88724 | ||
Greetings Phil! Would it be a cop out for someone 1,000 years from now to say that it was common for people in our time to use the MLA style of citation as opposed to whatever style is current in their day? Your taking something outside of the Bible and trying to proof a point about Moses. I was taking something in the Bible and showing how it was not uncommon in those days to string together OT passages based upon certain key words. Check out Rom. 9-11 sometime and note all the OT quotes and how most of them have the words 'son' or 'people' in them. There are many other examples of this practice in the Bible. And, no, it's not new to me that people want to pick and choose which parts of the Bible are inspired! :-( But, I reject that position. I believe that the Bible teaches that every word is God breathed, both inerrant and infalliable. God's word is the only rule of faith and practice for us as beleivers. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | BibleStudent74 | 88761 | ||
Dear Tim, Just so that I'm clear on what your saying. Your saying that when Matthew writes Matthew 27:9 "Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;" he really means Jeremiah even though he is directly quoting Zechariah? It seems that your saying he was talking about buying the field with 17 PIECES OF SILVER because God was going to have Israel set free again. That's what your references are referring to. If that were the case, then why would Matthew himself make a connection with Judas selling Jesus out for thirty pieces of silver and saying (I'm paraphrasing) "and when this happened, this was the fullfilment of the prophecy found in Jeremiah that says "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;"? This doesn't add up. I need to blur my vision in order to see it that way. Let's try to come to an agreement on both our parts. Fact#1 Matthew says to look in the book of Jeremiah for this quote. "And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;" Fact#2 You look for that quote in the book of Jeremiah and you NEVER find it. Fact#3 If you look in every book in the old testament for that quote, you ONLY find it in the book of Zechariah. Specifically Zechariah 11:12 Am I making this up or can we agree on these three facts? Your Brother in Christ, Phil |
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4 | Are those drawn 2 Christ raised to life? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88780 | ||
Greetings Phil! Fact 1: Matthew doesn't say to look in Jeremiah. He says "what was spoken by Jeremiah was fulfilled". I just want to make sure that our facts are precise! ;-) Fact 2: You never find the precise quote from Mt. 27:9-10 in Jeremiah. Fact 3: You also never find the precise quote from Mt. 27:9-10 in Zechariah. The quote from Mt. 27:9-10 is most similar to Zech. 11:12-13, but common words are also found in Jeremiah. Just so we are clear, here is the quote from Mt. alongside Zech. 11:12-13: Mt. 27:9b-10 - "...They took the thirty silver coins, the price set on him by the people of Israel, 10 and they used them to buy the potter’s field, as the Lord commanded me." Zech. 11:12-13: "I told them, 'If you think it best, give me my pay; but if not, keep it.' So they paid me thirty pieces of silver. 13 And the LORD said to me, 'Throw it to the potter' — the handsome price at which they priced me! So I took the thirty pieces of silver and threw them into the house of the LORD to the potter." Now, are these two quotes identical? No! Here is what the Bible Knowledge Commentary says about this issue: ********************************* Matthew viewed these events as the fulfillment of a prophecy of Jeremiah. But the prophecy Matthew quoted was primarily from Zechariah, not Jeremiah. There is a close resemblance between Matthew 27:9-10 and Zechariah 11:12-13. But there are also similarities between Matthew’s words and the ideas in Jeremiah 19:1, 4, 6, 11. Why then did Matthew refer only to Jeremiah? The solution to this problem is probably that Matthew had both prophets in mind but only mentioned the “major” prophet by name. (A similar situation is found in Mark 1:2-3, where Mark mentioned the Prophet Isaiah but quoted directly from both Isaiah and Malachi.) In addition, another explanation is that Jeremiah, in the Babylonian Talmud (Baba Bathra 14b), was placed first among the prophets, and his book represented all the other prophetic books. *********************************** Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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