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1 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88474 | ||
Hi Tim, "So, why would it be any more difficult for God to work the circumstances around Pharoah? Let's say that God KNEW that if Moses went in and issued an ultimatum to Pharoah that Pharoah would respond it the way that he did. Would it not be correct to say that both played a part? God provided the bait and Pharoah swallowed it! :-)" Is 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; Of course God knew what Pharoah's response to Moses would be. But God could not have used Moses' ultimatum as bait, for God does not tempt anyone to do evil. Luring, setting traps and snares does not come to my mind when I think of God. It is more typical of men and devils, who are reduced to subterfuge and deciet to obtain their goals. What do think about the proposition that Pharoah's hardening of his own heart was a manifestation of God's decree to Moses that HE would harden Pharoah's heart. After-all, God said that He would do it, not based on fore-knowledge of how Pharoah would re-act to Moses' ultimatim, but according to His purpose, which was the releasing from bondage of the children of Israel. John PS God willing, I will get back to you on our previous conversation regarding the implications of "spiritual death". |
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2 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88475 | ||
Greetings John! As you are fond of mentioning my friend, God's ways are higher than our ways. Scripture does not tell us exactly how it is that God hardened Pharoah's heart and Pharoah hardened his own heart, so I would not want to speculate too much! :-) All I know is that Scripture says that both are true. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88480 | ||
Hi Tim, but the fact remains that God hardened P's heart as part of His eternal pupose. I see this as an excellent example of God's soverignty and man's responsibility. God meaning hardening for good and man meaning it for evil. John |
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4 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | Hank | 88495 | ||
John Reformed: Friend, you and your predestined Calvinist brethern seem to take great delight in emphasizing that God hardened Pharaoh's heart "as part of his eternal purpose" so you say. But it seems to me you emphasize one set of facts while ignoring another. There are 18 references in Scripture to the hardening of Pharaoh's heart. In nine of them it is attributed to God's actions. That's half of the references. Now to whose actions do suppose Scripture attributes the hardening of Pharaoh's heart in the other half of the references? --Hank | ||||||
5 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88511 | ||
Hank, One cannot simply ignore the fact that God told Moses That HE would harden Pharoah's heart. This was God's decree. Any subsequent hardening on Pharoah's part does not change or mitigate that which God (who always accomplishes His good pleasure) had pre-ordained. The remaining 9 verses, which attribute to Pharoah the hardening of his own heart, show that man is naturally bent against good and that God is not a puppetmaster. John Reformed PS: ("you and your predestined Calvinist brethern") I am gratified to see you recognize that it was God who is responsible for mine, and my brethren's theological perspectives :-) |
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