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1 | Who hardened Pharaoh's heart? | Rev 13:8 | ne14pool | 88301 | ||
Hank, I have a question for you. Who hardened Pharaoh's heart? Was it God or was it Pharaoh himself? In Christ...Doug |
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2 | Who hardened Pharaoh's heart? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88330 | ||
Greetings Doug! I will take a stab at this question by simply quoting Scripture (sans commentary)! :-) Ex. 4:21 - "The LORD said to Moses, ‘‘When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go." Ex. 8:15 - "But when Pharaoh saw that there was relief, he hardened his heart and would not listen to Moses and Aaron, just as the LORD had said." Ex. 8:19 - "The magicians said to Pharaoh, ‘‘This is the finger of God.” But Pharaoh’s heart was hard and he would not listen, just as the LORD had said." Ex. 8:32 - "But this time also Pharaoh hardened his heart and would not let the people go." Ex. 9:34 - "When Pharaoh saw that the rain and hail and thunder had stopped, he sinned again: He and his officials hardened their hearts." Ex. 10:1 - "Then the LORD said to Moses, ‘‘Go to Pharaoh, for I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials so that I may perform these miraculous signs of mine among them" Ex. 11:10 - "Moses and Aaron performed all these wonders before Pharaoh, but the LORD hardened Pharaoh’s heart, and he would not let the Israelites go out of his country." Ex. 14:4 - "And I will harden Pharaoh’s heart, and he will pursue them. But I will gain glory for myself through Pharaoh and all his army, and the Egyptians will know that I am the LORD.” So the Israelites did this." Ex. 14:8 - "The LORD hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly." Ex. 14:17 - "I will harden the hearts of the Egyptians so that they will go in after them. And I will gain glory through Pharaoh and all his army, through his chariots and his horsemen." 1 Sam. 6:6 - "Why do you harden your hearts as the Egyptians and Pharaoh did? When he treated them harshly, did they not send the Israelites out so they could go on their way?" Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | ne14pool | 88397 | ||
Tim, Thanks for posting these verses. From these verses it appears that both God and Pharaoh harden Pharaoh's heart? Seems like a contradiction. Doesn't it? In Christ...Doug |
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4 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88417 | ||
Greetings Doug! It more than 'appears' that both God and Pharaoh hardened Pharaoh's heart! ;-) The text actually says that both did. As far as this being a contradiction, I don't see it that way. Allow me to use a human example. My wife and I have been married for almost 20 years now. Over that time, I have learned what buttons not to push with my wife. If I wanted to 'provoke' a certain response from her, I could do it quite easily. So, why would it be any more difficult for God to work the circumstances around Pharoah? Let's say that God KNEW that if Moses went in and issued an ultimatum to Pharoah that Pharoah would respond it the way that he did. Would it not be correct to say that both played a part? God provided the bait and Pharoah swallowed it! :-) God worked out His plan and Pharoah is responsible for his choices. I think it worked out rather well! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88474 | ||
Hi Tim, "So, why would it be any more difficult for God to work the circumstances around Pharoah? Let's say that God KNEW that if Moses went in and issued an ultimatum to Pharoah that Pharoah would respond it the way that he did. Would it not be correct to say that both played a part? God provided the bait and Pharoah swallowed it! :-)" Is 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, And from ancient times things which have not been done, Saying, 'My purpose will be established, And I will accomplish all My good pleasure'; Of course God knew what Pharoah's response to Moses would be. But God could not have used Moses' ultimatum as bait, for God does not tempt anyone to do evil. Luring, setting traps and snares does not come to my mind when I think of God. It is more typical of men and devils, who are reduced to subterfuge and deciet to obtain their goals. What do think about the proposition that Pharoah's hardening of his own heart was a manifestation of God's decree to Moses that HE would harden Pharoah's heart. After-all, God said that He would do it, not based on fore-knowledge of how Pharoah would re-act to Moses' ultimatim, but according to His purpose, which was the releasing from bondage of the children of Israel. John PS God willing, I will get back to you on our previous conversation regarding the implications of "spiritual death". |
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6 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88475 | ||
Greetings John! As you are fond of mentioning my friend, God's ways are higher than our ways. Scripture does not tell us exactly how it is that God hardened Pharoah's heart and Pharoah hardened his own heart, so I would not want to speculate too much! :-) All I know is that Scripture says that both are true. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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7 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88480 | ||
Hi Tim, but the fact remains that God hardened P's heart as part of His eternal pupose. I see this as an excellent example of God's soverignty and man's responsibility. God meaning hardening for good and man meaning it for evil. John |
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8 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | Hank | 88495 | ||
John Reformed: Friend, you and your predestined Calvinist brethern seem to take great delight in emphasizing that God hardened Pharaoh's heart "as part of his eternal purpose" so you say. But it seems to me you emphasize one set of facts while ignoring another. There are 18 references in Scripture to the hardening of Pharaoh's heart. In nine of them it is attributed to God's actions. That's half of the references. Now to whose actions do suppose Scripture attributes the hardening of Pharaoh's heart in the other half of the references? --Hank | ||||||
9 | Doesn't this seem like a contradiction? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88511 | ||
Hank, One cannot simply ignore the fact that God told Moses That HE would harden Pharoah's heart. This was God's decree. Any subsequent hardening on Pharoah's part does not change or mitigate that which God (who always accomplishes His good pleasure) had pre-ordained. The remaining 9 verses, which attribute to Pharoah the hardening of his own heart, show that man is naturally bent against good and that God is not a puppetmaster. John Reformed PS: ("you and your predestined Calvinist brethern") I am gratified to see you recognize that it was God who is responsible for mine, and my brethren's theological perspectives :-) |
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