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1 | Whose will causes a believer to sin? | Rev 13:8 | Hank | 88139 | ||
John, it is my view that Tim was fully justified in saying what he said in Post 88126 in response to your Post 88125. I would have drawn essentially the same inference as Tim did. Could it therefore be that it is not so much a case of Tim's not paying attention as it is of John's being a trifle vague and rattled in his exposition of the circular reasoning and eccentricities of Calvinism? --Hank | ||||||
2 | Whose will causes a believer to sin? | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88162 | ||
Hank, It seems as if I have done a poor job of explaining my position. When both you and Tim have arrived at the same conclusion and that conclusion (that God must have sinned) is absolutely antithetical to what I beleive. Frankly, I was at a loss as to how to respond. But then I read Joe's post on the question. I would urge you to give it a fair reading. ID# 88144 God Bless, John |
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3 | Whose will causes a believer to sin? | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88326 | ||
Greetings John! Good morning my friend! If you believe as Joe does on this question, then we may not be far off from one another after all. Here is a summary of what I believe: 1) God is sovereign. 2) Sovereignty does not mean that God has to be the direct cause of every action or event, though He certainly could be. 3) God sovereignly allowed man limited freedom of will - to obey or disobey. 4) God knew that Adam and Eve would sin, but was not the direct cause of their sin - their will was the direct cause of their own sin. 5) God created them anyway and used their free actions for His glory. I do not believe in absolute freedom of will for man. Our freedom is only within the confines of the moral and physical limitations placed upon us by God. The reason I misunderstood your position is that you seemed (to me at least) to be unwilling to say that God was not the direct cause of Adam and Eve's sin. In my understanding, if God were the direct cause (i.e. - Adam and Eve had no choice but only did what God made them do), then God would be the Author of sin. Knowing they would do it and allowing it is different from ordaining that it must happen. Let me know what you think my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Define Spiritual death ("Dead in sin" ) | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 88339 | ||
Hi Tim, I trust that your move was sucessful, and I'm glad you're back! Before we press on, I think it would be helpful if you told me what your view is on "spiritual death" and what implications this condition of being has on unregenerate mans ability to choose spiritual good. Thanks, John |
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5 | Define Spiritual death ("Dead in sin" ) | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88359 | ||
Greetings John!' Somewhat successful! We still have a few things to move and lots of things to do as of yet! :-) Spiritual death is first and foremost seperation from God, both judicially and relationally. Deravity is first and foremost the status of being born spiritually dead. Thus, natural man, apart from God's grace does not seek God. Fortunately for us, God makes all of the first moves by dying for us and drawing us. Spiritually dead (to me)though does not mean unable to respond to God's grace. Even spiritually dead people make moral choices every day. Not every sinner is as sinful as they could possibly be. So, even though sinful man is spiritually dead, and born thus, he is capable of making moral choices. Why doesn't every sinner commit murder? Why doesn't every sinner cheat on his or her wife? Sinners sometimes do good. The man who jumps in front of the truck to save the life of a young child does good. Of course, being born spiritually dead, one cannot simply 'do good' and make it to heaven! :-) So, when God reaches out first by drawing all men, and His Holy Spirit begins to convict sinful man of his or her sin, I believe that the unregenerate man can exercise an act of will to either accept or reject God's offer of grace. Well, back to the grind my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | Define Spiritual death ("Dead in sin" ) | Rev 13:8 | nivlac5 | 88364 | ||
Hi Tim, this another brother in Christ.In regards to spiritual death; Eph 2:5 says He made us alive or quickened us. Now if we have been made alive then we were once dead. Is dead not dead or has it lost its meaning? Are people in the grave able to respond? I believe that spiritualy dead means we are unable to respond to the things of GOD and more importantly in our depraved state hate GOD and have no inclination to Him. You mentioned that some men have not sinned as much as others such as not all have murdered. Consider Jesus's sermon on the Mount where he takes the outword sinful action and imposes it to the inward attitude of the heart. Jesus words are clear, if you say Raca to your brother or hate him you have murdered. If you lust after a woman, you have comitted adultery. Romans 1,2 drive the point home that "there is none righteous and none who seeks after God" Just as God gave the Israelites in the book of Ezekiel a heart flesh for heart of stone, so to God regenerates, makes alive those whom the Father gives to the Son. After all, if it were any other way it would not be by Grace. In Christ, Brad | ||||||
7 | Define Spiritual death ("Dead in sin" ) | Rev 13:8 | Morant61 | 88365 | ||
Greetings Brad! You asked: "Is dead not dead or has it lost its meaning? Are people in the grave able to respond? I believe that spiritualy dead means we are unable to respond to the things of GOD and more importantly in our depraved state hate GOD and have no inclination to Him." But, I could ask you, do dead people go to work? Do dead people marry? Spiritually dead people make all kinds of choices every day, why should it be any different when it comes to responding to God's grace, provided that He takes the initiative and draws us? If Christ did not draw all, I would agree with your point. Natural man would not seek God on their own. Look at Adam and Eve, God sought them, they did not seek God. However, when God called out to them, they did respond - didn't they? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | Define Spiritual death ("Dead in sin" ) | Rev 13:8 | nivlac5 | 88370 | ||
Tim,certainly spiritualy dead people do all sorts of things and make decisions daily. The issue is the inclination of the heart. People make decisions to marry to divorce to do this or that, but spiritualy dead people have no good will intended toward God. There decisions are based on their nature, basically to serve self and gratify the desires of their heart. And as scripture points out "man's heart is desperately wicked who can know it" Nor does it seek God Rom 1,2 and is actually enemy of God, Rom 8.Such is the result of the fall and the result on the will of man. But one may say this is not fair! But who are we to question God's providence or His justice or His mercy or His grace. Do we define God on our terms or the ones stated in the Holy Writ? I prefer the latter.As it says in Isaiah Is 55:9 "For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. As well as in Deutoronomy 29:29 "The secret things belong to the LORD our God, but the things revealed belong to us and to our sons forever, that we may observe all the words of this law. We can only be eternaly greatful that we have received Christ and the forgiveness of sins, because it is only by His power and His will that we should be called sons of God. John 1, Eph 2, Titus 3 All of Romans. Bound for the promised land, In love, Brad |
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