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1 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | Reformer Joe | 87756 | ||
"Your the master of proof text, but your message does not agree with the rest of scripture. John 3:16 Jesus died for who ever should believe not just the chosen few." So "the rest of Scripture" means John 3:16? By the way, the word "whosoever" is not in the Greek. The Greek reads "all the believing ones." Believers believe because they are the elect of God, not the other way around, which is what far more than 88 verses relate. "Proof text taken out of context is pretext my friend." And what is the context of John 3:16? What else does Jesus say in his conversation with Nicodemus? "Sit down and read the WHOLE Bible not your favorite 88 and see what God said." Ed, it is the implication that you have superior knowledge of Scripture that always leads to the ugliness that arises in these discussions. You have accused a brother in Christ of "proof-texting" and responded with a single verse, your understanding of which should be the lens through which we see the entirety of Scripture. My friend, that is the classic definition of proof-texting. "Look how He dealt with the patriarchs." Look how he dealt with the Canaanite nations. "He gave them a choice, look how he dealt with people all through the Old Testament. In each case God reached out to man either to be accepted or rejected." Yes, the Philistines and Jebusites and Hivvites and the citizens of Jericho and the Moabites were all given that chance to "accept or reject," right? :) --Joe! |
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2 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 87777 | ||
Joe One more thing. I think most theologians and Bible scholars will agree John 3:16 carries the essence of the Bible so while it may only be one verse it is one of the few that will stand alone. That my friend is not proof texting it is stating the overall theme of the Bible. Before you respond with one of your nasty snide remarks attacking me let me say I will not respond back to you on this subject. EdB |
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3 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | Reformer Joe | 87810 | ||
"I think most theologians and Bible scholars will agree John 3:16 carries the essence of the Bible so while it may only be one verse it is one of the few that will stand alone." Is that like "4 out of 5 dentists surveyed..."? We must use Scripture to interpret Scripture. Therefore, while we certainly must use John 3:16 to help us understand the rest of the Bible, we in turn must use the rest of the Bible to help us better understand John 3:16. The whole of Scripture taken together not only defines more completely the biblical concept of belief (refuting those with whom we both disagree who say that belief is just a "nod of the head" regarding certain facts), but also tells us more completely precisely who are the "everyone who believes" and what makes us believe. You say that John 3:16 is a self-evident, stand-alone verse. Others have come here and used Acts 2:38 and Mark 16:16 as lenses for the interpretation of Scripture. Our "name-it-and-claim-it" buddies take 1 Peter 2:24 and make it one of their "stand-alone verses." There are no "stand-alone verses." Even when Christians use correctly in isolation a single verse or couple of verses, it is because of a previous, implicit knowledge of the rest of Scripture and how it supports the given interpretation and use. There is an interesting commentary on the (mis)use of John 3:16 in an open letter James White wrote to Dave Hunt last year. I hope you will take the time to read it, if only to refine your arguments against Calvinism: http://aomin.org/DHOpenLetter.html --Joe! |
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