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1 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | Reformer Joe | 87756 | ||
"Your the master of proof text, but your message does not agree with the rest of scripture. John 3:16 Jesus died for who ever should believe not just the chosen few." So "the rest of Scripture" means John 3:16? By the way, the word "whosoever" is not in the Greek. The Greek reads "all the believing ones." Believers believe because they are the elect of God, not the other way around, which is what far more than 88 verses relate. "Proof text taken out of context is pretext my friend." And what is the context of John 3:16? What else does Jesus say in his conversation with Nicodemus? "Sit down and read the WHOLE Bible not your favorite 88 and see what God said." Ed, it is the implication that you have superior knowledge of Scripture that always leads to the ugliness that arises in these discussions. You have accused a brother in Christ of "proof-texting" and responded with a single verse, your understanding of which should be the lens through which we see the entirety of Scripture. My friend, that is the classic definition of proof-texting. "Look how He dealt with the patriarchs." Look how he dealt with the Canaanite nations. "He gave them a choice, look how he dealt with people all through the Old Testament. In each case God reached out to man either to be accepted or rejected." Yes, the Philistines and Jebusites and Hivvites and the citizens of Jericho and the Moabites were all given that chance to "accept or reject," right? :) --Joe! |
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2 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 87773 | ||
Joe Yes they were call proselytes and Rahah was a whore from Jericho. Do I dare mention Ruth? Just to name two that also ended up in the lineage of Jesus. The temple had a court yard of the gentiles for those that had not fully converted (not yet circumcised) Joe the interlinear Bible translates John 3:16, "THUS FOR LOVED GOD THE WORLD THAT THE SON THE UNIQUE ONE HE GAVE THAT EVERYONE BELIEVING IN HIM NOT MAY PERISH BUT HAVE LIFE ETERNAL” So once again we see to believe in your theology we also have to learn creative reading. Changing the meaning of words, verses, and overall nature of the Bible. The translators of the KJV, NKJV, NIV and NASB were all in a conspiracy to make Calvin look bad. Your making this laughable and I will not be drawn into this. EdB |
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3 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | Reformer Joe | 87792 | ||
"Yes they were call proselytes and Rahah was a whore from Jericho. Do I dare mention Ruth? Just to name two that also ended up in the lineage of Jesus." You may mention Ruth, if you dare. :) Both of those you mentioned, along with other notable OT Gentiles mentioned in the Bible, were rescued providentially by God. However, I wouldn't suggest that Jericho was evangelized prior to its destruction or that Israelites sent missionaries to Moab. God commanded his people not to incorporate them into the nation of Israel, but to utterly destroy them. Where is the "accept or reject" here? (Answer: we all have already rejected God before we have even heard the name of Jesus Christ) "The temple had a court yard of the gentiles for those that had not fully converted (not yet circumcised)" Did people come from China and India and Australia and Mesoamerica to the court of the Gentiles? I never claimed that God completely excluded Gentiles from his covenant people prior to Jesus (despite the fact that they did de-Gentile themselves to do so). Rather, my problem is with the biblically unsubstantiated assertion that EVERYONE has been given (or will be given) a chance to accept or reject salvation. Biblical evidence is to the contrary. "So once again we see to believe in your theology we also have to learn creative reading." Creative reading? You proved my very point in your post. I said that the word "whosoever" is not in the Greek and your interlinear supports that assertion completely. "Everyone believing in him" ("hina pas ho pisteuwn") does not imply that everyone has the moral capacity to choose God. Actually, the word "whoever" doesn't convey that either, but has developed in some circles an implied connotation of moral freedom. "The translators of the KJV, NKJV, NIV and NASB were all in a conspiracy to make Calvin look bad." No, you just are reading more into those translations than what is there. "Whoever believes" does not mean that anyone can join the club. If I say, "Whoever has twin offspring, respond to this post," that doesn't mean that you can decide whether or not you have twins at this moment. It means that I am distinguishing one category of human being from another. Nothing more. "Your making this laughable and I will not be drawn into this." Well, I try to be entertaining as I educate! :) --Joe! |
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