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1 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 87371 | ||
Greetings DL Respectfully, sir, I disagree with the idea/conclusion that Rev 22:19 automatically means someone's name is there to begin with. The verse is saying that if they had any hope at all of being saved it was lost when they perverted the Word of God, thereby forfeiting their place in the Tree of Life (or Book) forever. You still didn't take my question to it's full extent. If Jesus was the one who started the good work in you, and the Bible says He will finish it (that's a promise!) then you are saying He fails to do what He purposes to do. Phi. 1:6 directly contradicts your interpretation. So does 1 John 2:19. We must base our doctrine in light of all of Scripture. In the Potter's Service, JibbyJee |
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2 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 87425 | ||
The bible speeks alot of predestination in which I believe in, but jesus also said that we are not to use our liberty as an ocassion to sin. We as Christians are still in the flesh, which means that we still have the right to chose our own destiney, all the way to the grave.It still goes back to enduring till the end. jesus will still stay with us as long as we stay with him. The scripture warns us about making our faith shipwreck, and even Paul turned Jamus and Jambries over to Satan to teach them not to blasephieme.This statement in rev. by jesus is not contridecting 1 John its enforceing it.look at 1 john 2;24, and James 1;8. We compair scripture with scripture to obtain a deeper revelation of Gods word throu the Holy spirit.Jesus doesnt fail, its some people who dont last untill the end. Im sorry if we dont agree, but thats the beauty of Gods people, we can agree to disagree. | ||||||
3 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | JibbyJee | 87442 | ||
Greetings DL! Before I reply to your last post, I must ask you to answer the question about Philippians 1:6 regarding Jesus not only beginning the work (salvation) in us but also promising to finish it. I don't see how your last response answers that question at all. You've brought predestination into the mix and somehow implied that it (the doctrine of predestination) is connected to using liberty as an excuse to continue in sin. I never heard of Christians who believe they can continue to sin willingly and still be saved. So I'm not sure why you made that statement. In fact, I'm not entirely sure why you posted any of it regarding the course of our dialogue. Nevertheless, I will make an attempt to address your concerns. As I said earlier, I'm not sure what your point is about the predestination/liberty statement. Of course I agree with it, but I just not sure how it relates to our conversation. Likewise I'm going to need you to explain how Christians still being in the flesh as anything to do with choosing our own destiny. I could equally say it does not have anything to do with it. In fact, Scripture says that flesh is worthless. Therefore, it has no eternally profitable bearing on your life or mine. Look at these Scriptures: Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that giveth life; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I have spoken unto you are spirit, are are life. Rom 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh: Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were through the law, wrought in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. Rom 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not. Rom 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: Rom 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Rom 8:8 and they that are in the flesh cannot please God. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that you can somehow make good of the flesh. Paul understood that He couldn't as shown in the verses above. We are saved by grace, through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) which is a work that God does (John 3:6; Eph 2:10), based upon the will of God, not man (Eph. 1:4; Rom. 9:16). That's all I have time for right now. Sorry about that. I'll try to get back when I can. In Christ, JibbyJee |
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4 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 87564 | ||
Weve misunderstood each other again im afraid, there is no good in the flesh, for the scriptures tell us that we must worship God in the spirit. im going to write an artical on this entire subject next week and post it ,you way want to read. In rev. 22;18-19. is the whole matter. Jesus told his deciples that in John 6;70, Have not I chosen you 12, and one of you is a Devil.I believe the work that jesus started in Judas was completed but Judas didnt endure unto the end. Look at judas life before his fall. And let me know what you think. | ||||||