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1 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 87674 | ||
"As I have repeatedly said you will never convince me of predistination and I can only believe that through my prayers God will one day bring you out of this teaching. EdB" Hi Ed, Feel free to ignore this post. I know I can be a real pest at times :-). But I was looking through some recent posts and felt compelled to ask you a question regarding your prayers on my behalf. Why do you pray that God would "bring me out", from what you see as false teaching, if in the end He is powerless in the face of my own "free will"? It seems to me, that if I am in error and God desired to correct my error He could simply open my eyes to the truth! Just like He did when I first heard the gospel. I already had heard the gospel before, but did not believe it. Years later I heard it again and my ears were opened. Should I thank God for opening my ears or should I congatulate myself for having become wise in the meantime? You tell me. God Bless Ed, John Reformed |
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2 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | EdB | 87683 | ||
John You keep missing what I say, Salvation is a miracle and without the working of the Holy Spirit you can never find God. However I believe God enables everyone at least once in their lives to accept or reject Salvation. I believe God picks the time and place, and I believe He knows the results therefore in sense it is preordained. What I don't believe is that some are born and are NEVER given a chance for salvation. To me that is to close to the hateful and fatalistic Islamic teaching of kismet. When I pray for God to bring you out of the this false teaching it is for you to realize Jesus died for the sins of the world not just those chosen to be offered salvation. I don't doubt your salvation what I abhor is your teaching that God would allow a created being to roast in hell because it was never elected. Never given the chance that you and I were given. That my friend does not align with the rest of scripture. Please don't make me regret responding to your inquiry. As I said we have both heard it all. EdB |
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3 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | John Reformed | 87719 | ||
"Please don't make me regret responding to your inquiry. As I said we have both heard it all." EdB Hi Ed, Obviously we have not heard it all :-) Case in Point: "what I abhor is your teaching that God would allow a created being to roast in hell because it was never elected." I have always said that, those who go to Hell, go there because of their sins. And that God would have been perfectly justified to administer His justice upon every single child of Adam. The reformed doctrine says that God chose (for His own reasons) some to recieve mercy and the rest to recieve justice. As The Creator and as the Judge of the Universe, He has every right to do as He has done. If you still say "That my friend does not align with the rest of scripture.", my proof that you are wrong is as follows: Rom 9:16 So then it does not depend on the man who wills or the man who runs, but on God who has mercy. Rom 9:17 For the Scripture says to Pharaoh, "FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE I RAISED YOU UP, TO DEMONSTRATE MY POWER IN YOU, AND THAT MY NAME MIGHT BE PROCLAIMED THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE EARTH." Rom 9:18 So then He has mercy on whom He desires, and He hardens whom He desires. Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, "Why does He still find fault? For who resists His will?" Rom 9:20 On the contrary, who are you, O man, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, "Why did you make me like this," will it? Rom 9:21 Or does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for common use? Rom 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction? Rom 9:23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon vessels of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, Rom 9:24 even us, whom He also called, not from among Jews only, but also from among Gentiles. Rom 9:25 As He says also in Hosea, "I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, 'MY PEOPLE,' AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, 'BELOVED.'" Rom 9:26 "AND IT SHALL BE THAT IN THE PLACE WHERE IT WAS SAID TO THEM, 'YOU ARE NOT MY PEOPLE,' THERE THEY SHALL BE CALLED SONS OF THE LIVING GOD." Rom 9:27 Isaiah cries out concerning Israel, "THOUGH THE NUMBER OF THE SONS OF ISRAEL BE LIKE THE SAND OF THE SEA, IT IS THE REMNANT THAT WILL BE SAVED; Rom 9:28 FOR THE LORD WILL EXECUTE HIS WORD ON THE EARTH, THOROUGHLY AND QUICKLY." God Bless Ed, John |
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4 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | Hank | 87720 | ||
Now really, John Reformed, what's new in your post that you haven't posted umpteen times already? EdB was right after all: "We have both heard it all." (What WOULD you Calvinists have to talk about if it weren't for Romans 9 ?? !! :-) ..... Note to new users: If you really want to read several hundred posts on the Forum's Famous Calvinism Debates, hit Search and type in Calvinism. --Hank | ||||||
5 | Our name erased or added to Book of Life | Rev 13:8 | Reformer Joe | 87757 | ||
"What WOULD you Calvinists have to talk about if it weren't for Romans 9 ?? !!" Genesis 1-Romans 8 and Romans 10-Revelation 22. :) --Joe! |
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