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1 | Is it Sin or Me? | Rom 5:12 | Morant61 | 75624 | ||
Greetings Discplerami! If there is not such thing as a sin nature, then what was Paul referring to in Rom. 7:18-20? "For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh; for the wishing is present in me, but the doing of the good is not. 19 For the good that I wish, I do not do; but I practice the very evil that I do not wish. 20 But if I am doing the very thing I do not wish, I am no longer the one doing it, but sin which dwells in me." If sin is only something you do as a result of your free will, then how come Paul was doing that which he did not want to do? How come he talks of 'sin dwelling in him'? Paul's point throughout Romans is very clear, that apart from Christ we are slaves to sin. Sin is a violation of God's law, but it is also an inherited, corrupted nature, which cannot do right unless defeated by the power of Christ. Are we to read Rom. 7 as saying: "I do what I don't want to do but I really did want to do it!"? Romans 7 makes no sense apart from human depravity. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Is it Sin or Me? | Rom 5:12 | disciplerami | 75680 | ||
Help me understand. You think Paul was still in the sinful, separated, depraved, hostile, unspiritual condition that he 'inherited' from Adam? Is that what you think? You think that when Paul did the very thing that he didn't want to do that the power of Christ was ineffetual in him? I don't think you can have it both ways. Either you believe that a born again person has a new spirit or you don't. I contend that the Christian and non-christian wrestles with his flesh. Following the things of the Spirit takes daily commitment. Paul had his mind on the things of the Spirit, but the flesh is weak. Romans 7 makes plenty of sense without beleiving in the doctrine of depravity. Complete sense. |
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3 | Is it Sin or Me? | Rom 5:12 | Morant61 | 75683 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! Actually, I believe that Rom. 7 describes Paul's condition as a Jew, who wants to obey the Law of God, prior to his becoming a Christian. I believe that the Christian is no longer 'a slave to sin'. But, for our purposes, the important point is that Paul said that he did that which he did not want to do. Since sin is an act of will, how could Paul unwilling will to sin? Paul didn't say that is was difficult to do what he wanted. He said that he could not do what he wanted and could not stop doing that which he did not want to do. This seems like a perfect description of a sin nature to me! :-) By the way, how can the flesh be weak if there is no depraved nature? What is the source of the weakness? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Is it Sin or Me? | Rom 5:12 | mbooker | 75724 | ||
Good Morning Brother Tim! :) Just this morning, I was thinking about Romans 7, particularly vv 15-23, and how to reconcile it with what Paul said in Romans 6, particularly vv 11-14. When you said you believed Romans 7 'describes Paul's condition as a Jew, who wants to obey the Law of God, prior to his becoming a Christian', why do you believe that? Meredith |
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5 | Is it Sin or Me? | Rom 5:12 | Morant61 | 75760 | ||
Greetings Meredith! Thanks for the interest in this question my friend! Here is a re-post of how I have answered this question previously. ********************************************** This is a tough question on which reasonable people can and do disagree. However, my position is that Paul is describing his life apart from Christ and under the Law in Rom. 7:7-25. Here are my reasons. 1) There is a contrast made between Rom. 7:7-25 and Rom. 8:1-17. This is one of the cases where chapter divisions are less than helpful. The person described in Rom. 7 is: a) A slave to sin - Rom. 7:14. b) Subject to the Law of sin - Rom. 7:23 and 25. However, in Rom. 8, the person is described as one who: a) Is not condemned - Rom. 8:1. b) Has been set free from the Law of sin - Rom. 8:2. c) Is not controlled by the sinful nature - Rom. 8:9. So, there is a clear distinction made between the person described in Rom. 7 and the one described in Rom. 8. What is the difference? The one in Rom. 7 is trying to obey the Law apart from Christ and is unable to do so because of their sin nature. The person in Rom. 8 has been made alive by the Spirit of Christ and is now led by the Spirit. 2) The second reason I believe that Rom. 7 cannot refer to a believer is because of Rom. 6. Romans 6 makes statements that cannot be reconciled with the view that Rom. 7 describes a Christians ongoing struggle with sin. Consider the following: a) We have died to sin - Rom. 6:2. b) Our old self was crucified with Christ - Rom. 6:6. c) The body of sin has been done away with - Rom. 6:6. d) We are no longer slaves to sin - Rom. 6:6. e) Sin is not our master - Rom. 6:14. These statements cannot be reconciled with the view that Rom. 7 is speaking of a believer who continually struggles with sin. In particular, Rom. 7:14 says that this person is a slave to sin, but Rom. 6:6 says that believers are not slaves to sin. *********************************************** I hope this answers your questions! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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