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1 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | CDBJ | 73230 | ||
God’s protocol for man’s salvation has remained constant from the time man stepped outside of God’s plan in the garden until this very day. All of the Old Testament believers had to have faith in God’s perfect sacrifice the same way that we do today; they looked forward to it and we look back. That perfect sacrifice was God’s solution for us and it centers on His Son Jesus Christ. That is why we have, John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. There was no water baptism mentioned! Hebrews chapter 11 is dedicated for the purpose of expounding on the essence of faith. The only thing that any human has to have in order to be saved is the ability to think i.e. to reason. Once they come to this point then they are accountable for their decisions; no water necessary. Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool. The plan of God for man is total trust in the work of God’s Christ. Anything that we can do, other then use our minds to consider it, by relying on God and what he did for us through Jesus, nullifies faith. It is not faith plus anything, no mater what the postulate might be. The essence of faith eliminates everything that might be hanging on the fringe other wise faith isn’t faith. The word faith and or believe, as it was originally used, is a transitive verb example, John 3:16. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. What a transitive verb does is to place all the emphasis on the object of the verb; the verb, believe in the English is the Koine Greek verb PISTEUO. Faith or believe is no better then the object of the faith. Whenever anyone adds something besides faith to the object, Jesus, for salvation, like water baptism, it negates the action of the verbs object and nullifies the results. Faith demands singleness of thought on the object that God designates i.e. his perfect Son. God is not impressed with anything that we do physically he is only impressed with what his Son did. Water baptism in conjunction with faith for salvation is like sitting in a jet going 600 mph and you decide that you want to help so you try to get outside so you can help by pushing. The worst part is the results are going to be the same! God doesn’t need our help to save us he just wants us to trust him! In essence those the are depending on something they do, water baptism, along with what Jesus did, are not fully trusting in the finished work of Christ and accordingly they aren’t saved, by faith only as the definition demands. A person could be welded into a steel box in the middle of the desert and as long as they are still cognizant of God’s plan of salvation they could be saved even if it were the last thing they did; now that is by grace through faith, no access to water! John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: [31] But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Now if people what to add water baptism to what John knew to be truth, according to these last two verses, they are going to have a real shock when they take their last breath. I hope they get with God’s program before it’s too late. There are numerous passages mentioning baptism in conjunction with the verb Pisteuo or it cognate. Those that are putting their salvation on the line with these passages of Scripture better learn what it means to reduce something down to it’s common denominator as in a parenthetical phrase. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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2 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | mbooker | 73244 | ||
CDBJ 'All of the Old Testament believers had to have faith in God’s perfect sacrifice the same way that we do today; they looked forward to it and we look back.' I appreciate your post. I was talking to a co-worker Wednesday and she said that she hopes to get to heaven ... IF she 'doesn't mess up too bad' (her exact words). I tried to convey to her that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in our heart that God raised him from the dead, we shall be saved. She believes you have to 'have Jesus' but... it's 'faith and works' (again, her exacts words). Then she preceded to ask how was it determined in the OT who was 'saved'. I said I believed that those who were looking for the promised Messiah was the determining factor (thinking of Heb 11:13). Too bad I didn't say it as you did :) Meredith |
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3 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | CDBJ | 73247 | ||
Hi Meredith, I know the frustration that you are experiencing and I have been down that same road many times. The thing that I noticed in your post is the same thing that I have trouble with even to this day. You stated, “I tried to convey to her” Every time I find myself on this kick I have to relate to Matthew. Matthew 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Did you catch who is doing the revealing or convincing? Not you or I, as designated by, flesh and blood, but the Father. Probably the best thing you could do for her is get her to promise to read the book of John and tell her to pray and ask God to reveal the truth that is contained in it. Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. You mentioned that she hoped she would get to heaven. Ask her what all this hope entails? Ask her why God should let her into heaven and you will find out what she is really trusting in. Most will say that they are trying to be the best they can, or do the best they can, what ever that means or they aren’t any worse then everybody else. You might say that the Bible say in Isaiah 59:2 But your iniquities have separated between you and your God, and your sins have hid his face from you, that he will not hear. Tie this in with Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Ask how she is dealing with the sin problem that God say we all have? Next the outcome of our sin is found in Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; But hear comes the great news in the last part of the verse; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Then explain what we do to earn a gift, NOTHING, or it wouldn’t be a gift. Somebody has to pay for it, because like they say, there is no free lunch and that is where Jesus comes in. God wants us to put all of our eggs in one basket and completely trust in his Son for paying the price of our admission to heaven. We can’t earn it and sure don’t deserve it and that is the meaning of grace. I like the play on words that someone came up with for the word grace. i.e. G R A C E, God’s Riches At Christ Expense. Ephes. 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. Have a nice day, CDBJ |
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