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1 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | One | 73097 | ||
The thief on the cross is such a mute point. It’s like saying Adam and Eve was not baptized. Look at Romans 6 there is speaks of baptism as being symbolic of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and it is our death, burial, and resurrection. So how could the thief be baptized into Christ death when Christ had not even die?????? | ||||||
2 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Hank | 73123 | ||
One: Perhaps the salvation of the criminal on the cross is not such a moot point after all. What does it show? What inference can be drawn from the incident? That Christ made exception to the thief concerning baptism, because the thief found himself in a situation where it was not really convenient for him to be baptized? Is that it? We must conclude that it wasn't, because we have no reason to believe that Jesus preached two different gospels or taught various alternate modes of salvation. When we have exhausted all other possible explanations that might possibly fit the context of Jesus' message to the thief and to everyone else, we must conclude with the simple conviction that "God so loved the world that He gave His only Son so that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."[John 3:16]. No, dear One, the question of the thief really isn't moot at all. The thief showed his faith in the Lord Jesus by calling on Him to save him and Jesus did just that. As it was with the thief, so it is with us. The thief was saved by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, aside from works, and so are we, baptism notwithstanding. This is not to down play baptism nor circumvent its importance. It is, and of right ought to be, the first major step of obedience leading toward experiential sanctification in the life of the newly regenerated believer, following, but not causing, justification. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73182 | ||
I simply say to you 'dear one', that a baptism that isn't necessary is a command that has no purpose. If God commanded that we all wear green pants on Wednesday, but didn't hold anyone to it, then the command is pointless. You PROVED that you and I and all of our friends DON'T have to be baptized. Whew! The Liberal says: "Oh, but let me qualify that negation of God's command by saying that I affirm the importance of baptism." Very confusing! Good day. |
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4 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 73239 | ||
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life. God is not the author of confusion. Being baptized is a commandment given to those who have already believed. New believers are those who have been already raised from spiritual death to spiritual life. Their obediance to the command to be baptized is an evidence of the change that the gift of faith and the Holy Spirit has made in their hearts. Having a new heart, they now have new desires as well. Joyfully they will submit to the command. Their desire is to please Him who has died in their place. John |
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5 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73690 | ||
Greetings, I don't have a problem with the verse you use, I just have a problem with your appication of it. The verse doesn't say we have to repent and confess or be baptized into Christ. But clearly, the Acts 2:38 passage says you must repent for the forgiveness of sins and Romans 10:9,10 says that confession is UNTO/WITH A VIEW TO salvation. I understand that God is not the author of confusing, but it is not confusing to bring Belief, Repentance, Confession, and Baptism into harmony. At the point of baptism the person is born again: just ask Saul, Acts 22:16 The baptism you describe is devoid of the meaning given it in the Holy Bible. If I understand you correctly, it is God who, essentially, makes you get baptized. So it's not about if you want to be baptized, you just will. You would have to conclude that God makes a lot of people put off their baptism for weeks, months, years, and indefinitely. How would that theory work with other doctrines. Excuse me Mr. Pastor, can I put off tithing for a time when God moves me to do it? Doesn't work. I believe different than you and I'm not confused a bit. I believe that truth convicts my heart to respond to the Gospel to be saved. In shame, I turn away from sin and turn to God. I am not yet saved. I confess in my heart and on my tongue that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the Living God. But I am not yet saved. I obey Jesus command to be baptized, wherein I am buried with Christ. The old man is buried, the new man arises to walk in newness of life. Baptism is an essential step to salvation. Good day. |
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6 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 73722 | ||
Good Morning, You wrote: "The baptism you describe is devoid of the meaning given it in the Holy Bible. If I understand you correctly, it is God who, essentially, makes you get baptized. So it's not about if you want to be baptized, you just will. You would have to conclude that God makes a lot of people put off their baptism for weeks, months, years, and indefinitely." Perhaps I was not clear. It is not a case of God "making" a new believer be baptized or "making" him repent or anything else. When one is born from above by the will of God (John 1:13) they will desire to obey and please their Lord. When their eyes have been opened and they see themselves for the first time; their sinfulness; their depravity and their hopeless condition apart from Christ. They, for the first time, desire to please God from a heart of love for Him. So rather than baptism being devoid of mraning, it takes on real meaning! The new christian is identifying with His Lord's death, burial and resurrection before the face of God and the world. You also asked: " How would that theory work with other doctrines. Excuse me Mr. Pastor, can I put off tithing for a time when God moves me to do it?" Do you trust that God is working in you, changing you and making you into more perfect reflection of His Son; or are you relying on what you make up your mind to do i.e. works? John 15:5 "I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing". Your last point was: " I believe that truth convicts my heart to respond to the Gospel to be saved." Were you a natural man when you heard the gospel call? Yes, you were. If you are like me (and many other believers) you have looked back on that day and wondered "Why did God choose such a wretch like me?". I am certain (at least I hope) that you took no credit whatsoever for your salvation. You never said "I had a good thing in and of myself that responded to God's call". No! You gave God all the glory...It must be so! Why do you now give credit (for thats what it seems) to your own sensitivity to truth and humility? You were DEAD and dead things respond to NOTHING. Just as Jesus raised Lazurus' dead body from the tomb, God raised your dead spirit to eternal life. "But", you say, "I exercised faith, I repented; I believed; I confessed Christ with my mouth and was baptized!" Yes you did thaose things but only by the grace of God. He gave you the gift of faith, granted you repentance and placed within in you new desires from a new heart. Salvation is God's work not ours. That is why none will boast. John Reformed |
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