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1 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73087 | ||
Greetings, I have a question for you if you would take the time. Where does the Bible say that Baptism is a "symbolic act of faith?" Why do you say baptism is not necessary to be saved? Peter said that "Baptism now saves you", 1 Peter 3:21. How do you know the criminal wasn't baptized? The disciples of John and Jesus were baptizing many people. Do you know for sure that the thief was not baptized? And why do you say that baptism "is a very special time in a Christian's life? How do you know that Baptism is supposed to be special unless you know the purpose given it by God? I agree with you that we are saved by faith, but without the "fruits in keeping with repentance", the faith is a "dead faith." Good day. |
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2 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Hank | 73092 | ||
In an effort to keep in harmony with the logic and common sense that one frequently sees displayed so clearly on this forum, I would like to present my unauthorized version of a perfectly plausible answer to the question concerning the thief on the cross and his baptism. Here's the proposition: That the thief was indeed baptized. And here's the scenario: The thief, upon being told by Jesus that "today you shall be with Me in Paradise" [Luke 23:43], somehow knew that in order for Jesus' words to have any effect, he had to figure out a way to get himself baptized. So he called down from his cross to the Roman soldiers, "Hey, guys, I've got to get myself baptized." The Roman soldiers, lacking the authority to unhang the criminal, consulted with their captain. The captain, also lacking the power to authorize such a move, spoke with Pontius Pilate, and Pilate decided to send an emergency fax to the Emperor of Rome. The Emperor, always gracious and willing to cooperate, sent back a fax saying, "Sure, why not, Ponty, if you think you can pull the criminal down from the cross and get him to a pool of water before he conks out." So they brought in some heavy equipment, probably a "cherry picker" much like they use today to clear away tree limbs from electrical wires, got up there and pulled the guy loose from his cross and brought him down. Meanwhile, another crew on the ground had been busy setting up a large portable swimming pool and had called out the Jerusalem Fire Department to hook up their hoses and fill the pool with water. The worked quickly and efficiently and now all was set in place. They found a preacher roaming around among the crowd and brought him over to the pool where he baptized the criminal. Then back in the bucket of the cherry picker went the criminal, and he was hoisted to his cross once again and re-nailed to it. This was done so he could continue his process of dying. So, for anyone to assume that the thief went to glory without being baptized shows that he has simply not taken time to think the issue through. But now you know the rest of the story. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | One | 73097 | ||
The thief on the cross is such a mute point. It’s like saying Adam and Eve was not baptized. Look at Romans 6 there is speaks of baptism as being symbolic of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ and it is our death, burial, and resurrection. So how could the thief be baptized into Christ death when Christ had not even die?????? | ||||||
4 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Morant61 | 73107 | ||
Greetings One! While I understand your point, I don't entirely agree. The thief was being promised a place in Heaven after the death of Christ, not prior to it. So, the basic argument is that he was saved in the same way that we are. In fact, I would argue that all saints, past and future, were saved by faith! :-) So, the question would be this: Why would Christ save the thief by faith alone and then demand that everyone else be saved by faith plus baptism? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73202 | ||
Hi Tim, The thief still died before the command of baptism was issued many days later. Where there is no law, there is no transgression. Good day. |
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6 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | John Reformed | 73236 | ||
You are still stuck with a theology that claims that we are saved by a combination of faith and law. This is the opposite of what the gospel claims. Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God;" But you say it is faith plus something that WE must do. Now, I do believe that we are commanded to be baptized and all those who have recieved the gift of faith will desire to be obediant. This desire to be obediant is a direct work of God working out His will for us in our hearts. Salvation is not a series of tasks which one must perform in order to be raised from spiritual death to spiritual life. That would place works above faith, which would give one a reason to boast. Faith is a gift. Once you recieved it your entire view of life and God is changed forever. I know that many say that faith may be rejected, but I think that is an impossibility. Once a person believes he is a "believer", and he no longer holds his old ideas as being true. It's a "done deal". People who say they once believed but lost they're faith are mistaken. The fact is they never believed at all! 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, so that it would be shown that they all are not of us. The gift of faith is accompanied by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. For without His presence we could not understand spiritual things. He is the Comforter or Helper who works within us, leading us and enabling us to understand and fulfill the works which God has prepared aforehand for us to do. God Rules, John Reformed |
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