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1 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 72896 | ||
"what else needs to be said?" A LOT! I am left to wonder what you mean. Do you mean that Paul didn't baptize? You misunderstand what Paul is saying. The 1 Cor.1:17 passage should not be read out of context. Jamieson, Fausset, and Brown, vol.III, p.285: "St. Paul says this not to depreciate baptism, for he exalts it most highly (Rom. vi.3). He baptized some, and would have baptized more, but that his and the apostles' peculiar work was to preach the Gospel..." Paul had just earlier said, "I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius." Listen, because he tells why. "That no man should say you were baptized in my name." The Corinthians were divided according to who converted or taught them. Paul didn't care who did the baptizing. He certainly didn't want to be the focal point of their faith. We are properly baptized into the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Paul continues. "Now I did baptize also the household of Stephanuas; beyond that, I do not know whether I baptized any other." If Paul meant by the statement in vs. 17 [that you quoted] that baptism wasn't important or necessary, then why did he baptize? Why did he baptize the jailer when it was past midnight? Why did he baptize Lydia along with her household? Why? So you see, your point is pointless. |
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2 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 72923 | ||
I think the point isn't whether Paul baptized or not. The point is, if the gospel is incomplete without baptism by immersion, why didn't Paul baptize them? Note that I am not assuming that they were not baptized; it is a sign and seal of belonging to Christ's church. I only wonder out loud why Paul didn't baptize so many if he considered it to be the ultimate step in being justified... --Joe! |
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3 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 72970 | ||
Greetings, It would be entirely wrong to conclude that the Corinthians weren't baptized because of Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 1. Because they were baptized by somebody. Paul didn't mind teaching them and having someone else baptize them if that would help them understand 'it's not WHO baptizes that matters.' What matters is Christ, being baptized into Christ. The point of this chapter is unity and Paul was glad that more could not glory is being baptized by him. That doesn't diminish the necessity and purpose of baptism. You write: "Is it the 'ultimate step in being justified." I wouldn't say so. It is just the starting place. The repentant life, walking in the light, is extremely important. But every journey starts with a first step: the washed and sanctified life starts in baptism. Why were you baptized, just curious? This is an important question because no where does it say 'baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace that has already occured'. Nowhere does it say that baptism is intended to be a public testimony that you are a Christian. Those 'purposes' have been invented by men. Peter gives the reason in Acts 2:38. God bless. |
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4 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Reformer Joe | 73168 | ||
You wrote: "It would be entirely wrong to conclude that the Corinthians weren't baptized because of Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 1." I never claimed otherwise. You wrote: "What matters is Christ, being baptized into Christ." That matters, but is Paul placing the emphasis on baptism that you are? I would say that he is not. Baptism is assumed, but the heart of the gospel is not water baptism, but "Christ, and Him crucified." You wrote: "Why were you baptized, just curious?" I was baptized to be identified with Christ as a member of His covenant community. I also consider baptism to be a means of grace, through which the Holy Spirit works in order to set me apart as belonging to God. "This is an important question because no where does it say 'baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace that has already occured'." I never used these terms in my post. Why do you attribute them to me? I fully believe that baptism does SOMETHING. I disagree that we are justified by baptism. You wrote: "Nowhere does it say that baptism is intended to be a public testimony that you are a Christian." Verses like these convince me that baptism is a sign pointing to our identification with Christ: "For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." --Galatians 3:27 "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit." --1 Corinthians 12:13 --Joe! |
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5 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 73174 | ||
Hello, You write: "I never used these terms in my post. Why do you attribute them to me? I fully believe that baptism does SOMETHING. I disagree that we are justified by baptism." I respond by saying that a person IS NOT justified by baptism [only faith in the blood can do that], but we are justified AT baptism. The God-given purpose is to unite you with Christ. Paul said we are sons of God THROUGH faith. He then goes to tell us when: "for all of you have been baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ." (Gal.3:26,27). Paul also connected baptism and faith in Colossians 2:12. Please, do not misunderstand me. My faith is not in works of the flesh, my faith is in God's free gift. Anyone who places his faith in water, or a baptizER, or any other word is misguided. You only have to be baptized once, if it is done right. Acts 19 shows when people need to be re-baptized. "For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body." This is correct. Titus and John show that the grace of God is first attained when baptized. A man must be born of water and Spirit (Jn 3:3,5). We are saved, not on the basis of deeds done in the flesh,...by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit." Outwardly, and in faith, we get in the water. Because of our faith, the Holy Spirit cleanes the soul with the blood of Christ. "By one Spirit we were all baptized" Joe, baptism is very important. It is important because God commanded it and assigned it a purpose. Think, why did the jailer get baptized the same night, after midnight? Why 3,000 in one day. The pattern suggest urgency. "Look, water, what prevents me from being baptized?" - the Eunuch. A person who is taught the Gospel, is taught baptism. Understanding the purpose of baptism, the person requests to be baptized. His faith is in God and it is seen in the act of faith. Also, I'm sorry to have assigned something to you that you didn't say. I was just offering general responses that people give for being baptized. If someone wants to be saved, why not say to them what Ananias said to Paul, "now why do you delay, arise and be baptized, washing away thy sins, calling on His name." Your debate with me is not over WHAT justifies: I believe fully that we are saved by grace through faith. Our debate has to do with the MOMENT that one is saved. Some say at the moment of belief, some say at confession, some say at repentance, some say at baptism. Now, if I said that baptism is the point in time at which a little newborn baby was saved, then you could charge me with believing in works salvation. A baby cannot have his own faith, and the 'baptism' [not really an immersion]is just a work of man. When there is no faith, there is no grace [This explains why the majority of people will be lost. The potential for salvation exist for them since Jesus died to taste death for ALL men, and because God desires ALL men be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth, but their faith is in the carnal world]. No, I believe in salvation by grace at the point one is baptized in faith. Good day. |
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