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1 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Morant61 | 72634 | ||
Greetings Search56! Now I can agree with that statement! :-) It is amazing to me that more people don't take the facts you pointed out into consideration when intepreting Acts 2:38. Usually, someone simply says, "Acts 2:38 says we must repent and be baptized to be saved!" However, the grammar is very clear because of person and number that the two commands are seperate and the promise of forgiveness of sins only applies to the command to repent. Keep up the excellent work my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | disciplerami | 77891 | ||
Acts 2:38 Grammar Corrected It has been stated several times on this forum that the Greek construction found in Acts 2:38 wrongly leaves the impression that 'repentance' and 'baptism' are necessary for salvation. ________ Morant61 has said, "Greek pronouns and verbs must match in both person and number. While it sounds nice to say that Peter is simply going from the group to the individual, doing so seperates the command to 'be baptized' from the promise of 'forgiveness of sins'. One cannot say in Greek, "Be baptized (singular) for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins!" "Ignore the rest of the sentence for the moment. The above sentence in Greek would be impossible. The only imperative that can go with the promise of forgiveness of sins in the plural 'repent'." ________ Acts 2:38 reads: Repent ye (2nd person, plural) and be baptized (3rd singular) each one (HEKASTOS, see Thayer's notes) of ye (plural pronoun).... unto the remission of sins of ye (plural pronoun)... Morant61 says it is not proper to say, "be baptized (singular) for the forgiveness of your (plural) sins." Thayer disagrees and offers several places where this is done when HEKASTOS (each, every) is used. "HEKASTOS, when it denotes individuality, every one of many, is often added appositively to nouns and pronouns and verbs in the plural number: Jn16:32; Acts 2:8; Lk2:3; Acts3:26; 1Pt4:10; Rev5:8; Rev20:13. (Thayer, Greek-English Lexicon, 1889, p.192) Here is a perfect example in Acts 2:3, "and appeared (3rd PLURAL) to them (autois, dative PLURAL) tongues as of fire distributing themselves (nominative PLURAL) and they rested (literal, 'it rested' 3rd SINGULAR) on each one (HEKASTOS, each, every) of them (genetive PLURAL). The "them/autois" of "there appeared unto THEM" in this Greek text is PLURAL. "EACH" is from the same word translated "EVERY ONE" in Acts 2:38. Did the tongues of fire sit on exactly the same ones to whom the fiery tongues appeared? The obvious answer is, 'yes!' In Acts 2:38, the group that is commanded to 'repent ye' is not more or less than the ones who are commanded to 'be baptized individually every one of ye (plural)...for the forgiveness of the sins of ye. Other examples of this construction are seen in John 6:7; Lk 4:40 "We ask: "How many more repented than were baptized?" "Every one of you" is added appositively to "Repent ye" and they both refer to the same ones."1 Good day, Disciplerami 1www_bearvalleycofc_orgZarticlesZbaptismEssential_html _ is for a dot Z is for a forward slash |
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3 | Isn't Baptism neccessary for salvation?? | Rom 10:9 | Morant61 | 77911 | ||
Greetings Disciplerami! Nice try my friend, but you are comparing apples and oranges. The problem with Acts 2:38 is not that 'each of you' is used. The problem is that when 'each' is used the subject of the clause is now singular and all of the verbs and pronouns associated with that clause will also be singular. Allow me to demonstrate. The phrase 'each (singular) of you (plural)' is used four times in the New Testament: Luke 13:15, Acts 2:38, 1 Cor. 1:12, and 16:2. 1) Luke 13:15 - "The Lord answered him, ??You hypocrites! Doesn?t each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?" In this example, 'each' is the subject and is singular. The 'each' is defined as a part of a larger group - 'of you', but every verb and pronoun associated with the 'each' must be singular. Is this the case? Yes! The verb 'untie' is singular as it must be to be associated with the subject 'each'. The pronoun 'his' (literally 'of him') is singular, as it must be. 2) 1 Cor. 1:12 - "What I mean is this: One of you says, ??I follow Paul?; another, ??I follow Apollos?; another, ??I follow Cephas?; still another, ??I follow Christ.?" In this example, 'one of you' is literally 'each of you'. Notice again that the verbs associated with 'each' are all singular and that the pronouns are all singular as well. The verse does not say, 'Each of you says, We follow Paul...." 3) 1 Cor. 16:2 - "On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made." This example continues the same pattern. To put it as simply as possible, the problem with Acts 2:38 is not that 'each of you' is used. The problem is that if the last clause were meant to be a result of obedience to the command to 'be baptized' then the phrase would have had to say, 'for the remission of your (singular) sins'. However, this is not the case. The result can only be grammatically associated with the plural command 'to repent'. The examples you cite are different grammatically. As soon as the subject becomes 'each' all of the pronouns and verbs associated with the 'each' also become singular. 1) Acts 2:3 speaks of tongues of fire which divide and then 'each' tongue seperately rests upon an individual. The grammar of this verse is correct. 2) John 6:7 speaks of there not being enough money to buy enough bread that 'each' (singular) may take (singular) a bite. The verb and the pronoun are in perfect agreement. None of these examples demonstrate what you claim for Acts 2:38. To do so, they would have to say things like, 'Each of you must be baptized (plural)'. It just doesn't happen. The correct form would be 'Each of you must be baptized (singular)'. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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