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1 | Are those He called always chosen? | Rom 8:30 | EdB | 14131 | ||
Reformer Joe and Morgan61 let me ask some questions. What is accomplished by the two of you going back and forth rehashing the same ground? One makes a point the other tells him he took scripture out of context or didn’t interpret it right, then the other comes back with his points showing where the other did the same. If one or the other could be proven right, assuming your both saved, what would the winner have the loser do different? What would the winner do different? In truth how does this discussion effect eternity? The points you hash and rehash are the standard points of Calvinism and Arminianism, your presenting nothing new. The debate has raged for over 400 years. My question to the both of you to what end? If you really enjoy flogging a dead horse why not give each other your e-mail address and you two can go at each other until you tire or declare a winner (if that happened I would fall over dead :-) ) and give the forum a break. I’m not being mean spirited or at least I not trying, but I have read point and counter point and neither one has convinced the other and I suspect neither ever will. Why not give us all a rest? |
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2 | Are those He called always chosen? | Rom 8:30 | retxar | 14210 | ||
I, as you, believe neither one will convince the other of their viewpoint. However, their are many who have gained much insight by this debate. The points you say are being hashed and rehashed are NOT the standard points of Calvinism and Arminianism. The standard points of each are usually presented in a hostile self-serving way. That is not what is going on here. As long as the debate continues with a healthy Christian attitude, there is nothing wrong with it. I think it is a good witness of the love of Jesus when 2 brothers can disagree on a hot issue and each present there case in a non-selfserving Christian manner. In Christ Jesus |
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3 | Are those He called always chosen? | Rom 8:30 | EdB | 14259 | ||
Rextar I’m sorry to differ with you but what they are presenting are classic textbook discussions that have taken place for the last 400 years. Joe is using all the Calvinist proof text and Morgan61 is using all the Arminianist proof text. Nothing of new value is being added nor would I expect it to be since as I have said this discussion has been hashed and rehashed for approx. 400 years. However I believe if you could get into the heart of both Joe and Morgan61 and be able to understand what it is they really believe you would find there isn’t a significant difference. Their conclusion is the same, “People need Jesus”, the only thing that is different is their starting point. |
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