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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: Are those He called always chosen? |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! I understand where you are coming from my friend! However, none of the verses you listed ever say that God's choice will be restricted. Even, Rom. 9:15 simply says that God can (or some view it as a statement of God's nature) have mercy on whom He wants. But, where does it say He won't have mercy on all? Especially since Rom. 11:2 says He will. In the Potter passage in Romans 9, even there the complaint is that God showed His mercy to vessels of wrath. This is what I mean when I say that we ignore the clear passages. Calvin invented a doctrine of unconditional individual election, yet there isn't one single verse that clearly says God does such a thing. The "choice" passages you use are all written to Christians. It would be like me saying to you, "God loves us." Does that mean that God does not love non-Christians? Of course we are chosen in Him, we are part of the Body of Christ. Arminianism doesn't have a problem with this "contradiction." If being "chosen" is unconditional and irresistable, how do you explain John 6:70? Judas was chosen, yet He was lost! These posts are getting long! :-) I appreciate your comments and your interaction. The only bad thing about this topic and the forum is that it is hard to discuss complex issues in depth. But, at least we can learn more about the other views Scripture. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |