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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: Are those He called always chosen? |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! Why does everyone keep mention Pelagianism in connection with Arminianism? They have NOTHING in common! Pelagianism teaches that man is not depraved, that there is no original sin, that man does not need atonement, and that Christ simply died to provide us with an example of how we should live. Arminians do not believe any of these things. We simply disagree on the Calvinistic understand of how election takes place and to whom it is applied. I believe that Christ is the Elect. Election refers to the corporate body of Christ. Everyone who responds to the Gospel becomes part of the Elect Body of Christ. "Prevenient Grace" simply refers to the grace of God reaching out the lost. Calvinists teach the same thing, only they say the grace of God only reaches out to certain people. Arminians say that the grace of God reaches out to all me. I really don't see what all the fuss is about myself. The Arminian position does justice to both God's Sovereignty and His grace. Salvation is fully His work. But, it is offered to all, which is what countless Scriptures plainly say. Concerning Ps. 44, look at all of the quotes in Rom. 8-11. You will find that almost everyone of them has to do with what it means to be Israel, who is a part of Israel, and God's relationship with Israel. I find that context to be a very convincing argument that Paul is using these quotes for a reason. p.s. - Are you sure about Acts 2:23? According to my text, the verb is not used here. A noun form of the word is used here though. However, Acts 26:5 uses the verb. There it simply refers to a knowledge of someone based upon a long standing relationship. 2 Peter 3:17 uses it for previous knowledge of information. This bears upon one of my concerns about Calvinism. Why take a few obscure words, which can have several meanings, and use them to explain away hundreds of clear statements in Scripture? I would be curious as to your view on this. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |