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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: Are those He called always chosen? |
Bible Note: I, as you, believe neither one will convince the other of their viewpoint. However, their are many who have gained much insight by this debate. The points you say are being hashed and rehashed are NOT the standard points of Calvinism and Arminianism. The standard points of each are usually presented in a hostile self-serving way. That is not what is going on here. As long as the debate continues with a healthy Christian attitude, there is nothing wrong with it. I think it is a good witness of the love of Jesus when 2 brothers can disagree on a hot issue and each present there case in a non-selfserving Christian manner. In Christ Jesus |