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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: Are those He called always chosen? |
Bible Note: Greetings Joe! Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying the great truths of Rom. 8 don't apply to Christians. I just believe that Israel is the primary object being discussed in Rom. 1-11, especially in chapters 1-4 and 8b-11. It is a general rule of interpretation though that words are usually used by an author in a similar fashion. This is especially true when the word occurs in the same book and is used very seldom. I believe that "whom He foreknew" is a technicule term for Israel. As far as Ephesians 1 is concerned, I would just make the following points. 1) The word "proginosko" is not used in this passage. So, it really doesn't say alot about how we should interpret Romans 8. 2) I too believe in Election. Unlike Calvinists though, I believe that Election is corporate, not individual and that it takes place through faith. Therefore, anyone who believes becomes part of the elect body of Christ. 3) Finally, I believe that the Israel/Gentile problem is being addressed in Ephesians as well. Take a look at chapters 2 and 3 in particular. Could they be what Paul was talking about in Eph. 1:10? Concerning Romans 8, what did you think about the context of Ps. 44? I found in very interesting that many of the themes found in Rom. 9-11 are also found in Ps. 44. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |