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NASB | Romans 8:30 and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 8:30 And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. |
Subject: Are those He called always chosen? |
Bible Note: Reformer Joe and Morgan61 let me ask some questions. What is accomplished by the two of you going back and forth rehashing the same ground? One makes a point the other tells him he took scripture out of context or didn’t interpret it right, then the other comes back with his points showing where the other did the same. If one or the other could be proven right, assuming your both saved, what would the winner have the loser do different? What would the winner do different? In truth how does this discussion effect eternity? The points you hash and rehash are the standard points of Calvinism and Arminianism, your presenting nothing new. The debate has raged for over 400 years. My question to the both of you to what end? If you really enjoy flogging a dead horse why not give each other your e-mail address and you two can go at each other until you tire or declare a winner (if that happened I would fall over dead :-) ) and give the forum a break. I’m not being mean spirited or at least I not trying, but I have read point and counter point and neither one has convinced the other and I suspect neither ever will. Why not give us all a rest? |