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1 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134717 | ||
Colin, Not for me. What was everone so unpset about in John 6 if it was just symbolic speech and why didn't Jesus just clarify the matter if they were misunderstanding? It is more than a mere symbol and Jesus in the Bread of Life discourse never stopped those who were walking away because of His teaching on this matter by just saying, "Hey, don't get upset, you misunderstand, I am only speaking symbolically." Apparently from John 6:60, 64, 70-71 Judas was one of those who could not abide Jesus's teaching on the matter, but Judas unlike the others did not walk away just then. he waited until he could cash in by his betrayal. Emmaus |
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2 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | DocTrinsograce | 134918 | ||
Welcome back, Emmaus! You asked, "why didn't Jesus just clarify the matter if they were misunderstanding?" I often hear the world declare Christ declared as a great teacher, and so He was. However, Christ was not educating the masses -- especially the ones who wanted Him to be King so that they could have a life of liesure, like those in John 6. Christ was teaching His sheep, not the world. In fact, the disciples once asked Him why He didn't speak more plainly. Christ answered by saying He taught that way intentionally so that the world would *not* understand! (Matthew 13:10-17) I have said it before... and I'll say it again, no doubt... there is nothing "mere" about symbols. God takes His symbols very seriously. I don't know how to communicate this to a Romanist -- and I do not mean this in a critical manner -- but you lot are so steeped in symbols, that making this statement cannot carry the weight for you that it does for us. I will consider this carefully to see if I can find a way to communicate it to you with greater clarity. In the mean time, each time you say "mere symbol" you reveal that you have missed the point we are seeking to make. We don't need to agree with one another -- but at least we should be clear about what we do not agree about! In Him, Doc |
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3 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134919 | ||
Doc, How condescending of you. Emmaus |
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4 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | DocTrinsograce | 135020 | ||
Emmaus, And how ad hominem of you, sir. :-) Doc |
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