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1 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134877 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! You wrote: "Your comment 'we do not earn our salvation based upon anything that we do, nor can we lose our salvation based upon anything that we do' sure doesn't jump out at me as a statement that mirrors any passage of scripture." I wasn't quoting a particular verse, but in my understanding the concept is certainly present in verses like Eph. 2:8-9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:1-17, and Jude 24. :-) You also wrote: "It requires an interesting interpretation on verses which talk of the last state of that person is worse than before he had believed, 'saving a soul from death' etc." Which specific verses are you thinking of my friend? You wrote: "The mortal sin usually kills the believing faith in its tracks. Your 5th point says something akin to this). Faith will fade right away if you are deeply into the worse sins, even if you go through the motions externally to those in your Church." I don't see the faith as fading as much as I see sin resulting in a hardening of heart. I don't like the term 'losing' salvation. I don't think that salvation is ever 'lost'. Rather, it is rejected - a willful decision on the part of someone who knows better. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Dalcent | 134949 | ||
Dear Tim, You ask which specific verses I am thinking of: verses which talk of the last state of that person is worse than before he had believed, 'saving a soul from death' etc. I thought the verses quoted were so well known as not to need referencing. Anyway they where from: 2Pe 2:20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. Jam 5:19 My brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth and someone brings him back, Jam 5:20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from his wandering will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins. I eagerly await your assessment of my quotes but I'm insisting that 'a brother who wanders from the truth' and the one who has 'escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ' are obviously Christians. Furthermore, a soul NOT saved from death, or 'the last state has become worse for them than the first' does not sound good. Your brother in Christ Best Regards Dalcent |
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3 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134951 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! Thanks for the response my friend! I just didn't want to assume to know what verses you were referencing! :-) That is why I asked for clarification. As I have mentioned before, I am not a Calvinist. Therefore, I certainly do believe that salvation can be rejected. So, I would totally agree with you that Christians are being discussed in 2 Pet. 2:20 and James 5:19-20. The only part we would apparently disagree on is what causes their states to be worse. Per Heb. 10:29, I would say that it is their ongoing rejection of Christ that causes breaks their relationship with Christ, not an act of sin. But, we are making progress! We actually agree on something! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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