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1 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134640 | ||
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2 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | flinkywood | 134644 | ||
Emmaus, I see. So just as Jesus was sacramentally present in material flesh, He is present in consecrated things -- bread, wine, water -- and is active within them and through them. I see better why Catholics read the Bread of Life Discourse in John 6 literally; however, because Jesus also says "Do this in remembrance of Me..." at the last supper, is it also biblically possible that He meant us to understand the bread as symbolic of His flesh? Colin |
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3 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134717 | ||
Colin, Not for me. What was everone so unpset about in John 6 if it was just symbolic speech and why didn't Jesus just clarify the matter if they were misunderstanding? It is more than a mere symbol and Jesus in the Bread of Life discourse never stopped those who were walking away because of His teaching on this matter by just saying, "Hey, don't get upset, you misunderstand, I am only speaking symbolically." Apparently from John 6:60, 64, 70-71 Judas was one of those who could not abide Jesus's teaching on the matter, but Judas unlike the others did not walk away just then. he waited until he could cash in by his betrayal. Emmaus |
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4 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134754 | ||
Greetings Emmaus! There is another possibility as to why the crowd was upset with Jesus. John 6:42 specifically mentions that they were upset that He claimed to 'come down from Heaven'. They certainly could have been upset because of the implications of what He was claiming for Himself. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134761 | ||
Tim, I belive that John 6:52 is the key verse in the whole passage. That was the final straw it seems. John 6:51 "I am the living bread that came down out of heaven; if anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread also which I will give for the life of the world is My flesh." John 6:52 "Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, "How can this man give us His flesh to eat?" John 6:58 "This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever." John 6:59 "These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum. John 6:60 "Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, "This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?" John 6:61 "But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, "Does this cause you to stumble?" John 6:66 "As a result of this many of His disciples withdrew and were not walking with Him anymore." So the question still remains. How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Many still cannot near this statement, which Jesu did not retract nor explain away as mere symbolic speech, but which the Church unanimously undersdtood for 1500 years as Holy Communion and which the majority of Christians still understand in that way. Emmaus |
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