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1 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Dalcent | 134950 | ||
Dear Doc, Tertullian is just one of myriads of Church fathers saying the same thing so what does it matter? The events of Acts 10 provided a SIGN to the Church that the Gentiles could be included in the Christian fold. Why does such a sign have to constitute the normative doctrine of Christian initiation. Catholics teach the normative method of Christian initiation is faith AND baptism. They do not insist that one must be baptised. It beggars belief that over and over and over again new Christians are baptized as and when they become Christians, and yet a whole wing of the Christian Church insists that the 'bible-way' is to pray Jesus into your heart. They know full well this is not described in the Bible. I'm impressed you realise the first hundreds of years of the Christian faith wasn't even slightly akin to the evangelical Church. Many evangelicals name drop fathers such as Ireneaus, Origen and Athanasius as if these men weren't Catholics! Dalcent If only: Act 8:36 And as they were going along the road, and the eunuch said, "What prevents me from praying Jesus into my heart?" Act 8:12 But when they believed Philip as he preached good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they prayed Jesus into their heart, both men and women. Act 8:13 Even Simon himself believed, and after praying Jesus into his heart he continued with Philip. And seeing signs and great miracles performed, he was amazed. Act 2:38 And Peter said to them, "Repent and be praying Jesus into your heart every one of you for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Act 2:41 So those who received his word prayed Jesus into their heart, and there were added that day about three thousand souls. 1Pe 3:21 Praying Jesus into your heart, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Gal 3:27 For as many of you as prayed Jesus into your hearts have put on Christ. 1Co 1:14 I thank God that I led none of you in the sinner's prayer except Crispus and Gaius, Act 22:16 And now why do you wait? Rise and pray the sinner's prayer and wash away your sins, calling on his name.' Act 19:5 On hearing this, they were prayed the sinner's prayer of the Lord Jesus. Act 18:8 Crispus, the ruler of the synagogue, believed in the Lord, together with his entire household. And many of the Corinthians hearing Paul believed and prayed Jesus into their hearts. Act 16:33 And he took them the same hour of the night and washed their wounds; and he prayed the sinners prayer at once, he and all his family. Act 16:15 And after she asked Jesus into her heart, and her household as well, she urged us, saying, "If you have judged me to be faithful to the Lord, come to my house and stay." And she prevailed upon us. Act 10:48 And he commanded them to pray the born-again prayer of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to remain for some days. Act 8:38 And he commanded the chariot to stop, and they both went down into the water, Philip and the eunuch, and he led him in the sinner's prayer. |
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2 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134953 | ||
Greetings Dalcent! There has been much debate about whether or not baptism is 'necessary' for salvation. I am beginning to think that many of us may be using different meanins for 'necessary'. For instance, you wrote: "Catholics teach the normative method of Christian initiation is faith AND baptism. They do not insist that one must be baptised." No one, to the best of my knowledge, is arguing that baptism should not be a normative part of our Christian experience. We are certainly commanded to be baptized. However, when I use the term 'necessary', I mean something without which one cannot be saved. Thus, I reject that one must be baptized to be saved. But, I do not reject that we are commanded to be baptized. However, if something is 'necessary' (in the sense that I used it above) than there can be no exceptions. However, I would not agree with your characterization of prayer. Prayer is simply an expression of repentance and confession. Ps. 86:5 - "You are forgiving and good, O Lord, abounding in love to all who call to you." Ps. 145:18 - "The LORD is near to all who call on him, to all who call on him in truth." Rom. 10:12 - "For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, 13 for, 'Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.'" Joel 2:32 - "And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved; for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there will be deliverance, as the LORD has said, among the survivors whom the LORD calls." Acts 2:21 - "And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." These Scriptures make it clear that there is nothing wrong with crying out to God for salvation, and that God has promised to answer that call. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | flinkywood | 134954 | ||
Tim, "Prayer is simply an expression of repentance and confession." With reams written on the subject of prayer, is this what it all boils down to? Colin |
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4 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Morant61 | 134960 | ||
Greetings Colin! I was speaking specifically of the prayer for salvation. So many seem to demean the so-called 'sinners prayer', but I have never understood how asking God for forgiveness is a bad thing! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | flinkywood | 134961 | ||
Me neither, Tim. Colin |
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