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1 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | Emmaus | 134609 | ||
Doc, " In John 3:5 the word "and" is not the Greek "de" but rather "kai." The former is a simple conjunction. The latter is copulative conjunction. This means that the two phrases ("water" and "spirit") occur in simultaneity. " That is exactly what the Catholic argument is. That baptism is a scrament which accomplishes what it signifies in the very act. That is simultaneously. In Baptsim we receive grace and the indwelling Holy Spirit. You having graciously made the argument for my point even better than me, I am content to left the matter rest. I will be off the Forum for at least a week after today. Emmaus |
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2 | Verses where water alone means baptism? | John 3:5 | DocTrinsograce | 134615 | ||
You are committing a logical fallacy here. Our question is regarding the word "water" and its use to mean baptism by the church. Setting the actual question aside for a moment: Let us assume, for a moment, that your priest's doctrine of baptismal regeneration is true. In Acts 10:47 the baptism clearly occurs *after* the Holy Spirit is received, not simultaneous with it. If receiving the Holy Spirit is possible only for the regenerate, then you have a contradiction. At any rate, Acts 10:47 still has no bearing on the original question: Do we have any other passages in scripture where the word "water" by itself means baptism? |
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