Bible Question:
Greetings Dan! You wrote: "...and I have nothing against Morant61, but Tim eventually makes the case that both repentance AND baptism only follow salvation AND THEREFORE HAVE EQUAL FORCE." To what are you referring my friend? I'm not I understand what you are trying to say, but I know that I never said it! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
Bible Answer: Dear Tim, This is not a misquote; rather it is drawing a logical conclusion from your stated points. Here is what I posted originally, and you have read from a follow up post: ______________ Here's where you take a twist by turning the preposition, EIS, into a causal meaning (because), you also make repentence unnecessary for the remission of sins. To be consistent then, you must say that repentence follows only as evidence that you are saved. Where you did argue by this novel translation that repentence is connected to forgiveness and baptism is not, you must now conclude that repentence and baptism are no more connected to forgiveness than the other: except now, they both follow. Here is how you really see this verse: a] “Because you have forgiveness of sins, you are commanded to repent (it is an imperative, as you pointed out) and commanded to be baptized (an imperative also) … or b] “Repent BECAUSE you have been forgiven of sins, and then you must go ahead and be baptized too, but NOT BECAUSE of your former forgiveness of sins…. [it is you who disassociated baptism from forgivess of sins, right?]. Now you must tell us why we must be baptized. All along, you've been disassociating baptism from forgiveness of sins, while connecting repentance to forgiveness of sins. Now your argument is that repentence follows too! Your argument has been that baptism follows. Now you must, to be consistent with your causal explanation for the preposition EIS, say that repentance isn't associated with forgiveness, not any more than baptism is! ! ! If you deal with anything in this response, deal with this. Explain how all along you can make the case that number and person only connects repentance and forgiveness, and baptism therefore follows. Then you introduce the causal argument for EIS and make repentance no more necessary for forgiveness than is baptism. ______ That is my conclusion from what you have said. Did I misunderstand and if so, please point to the exact place where I went off course from your argument. Thank so much. Disciplerami |