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NASB | Hebrews 11:40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect. |
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Subject: Superior Hope |
Bible Note: Ancient First don't you see what your doing? Your using proof text. That is when you take text stand alone out of context and paste it with others in an effort to make the text prove what your saying. First Love is an emotion, it has no action of it own. For love to accomplish anything it must have action. I don’t see how you can debate that it is so obvious. That is why God gave us commandments, precepts, standards, and laws so our action would rightly conform to our love. Love can be misguided we see this all the time people loving whales that the expense of the welfare of children (making donations to save the whale at the expense of donating to children's homes) and some even love life to the point of suggesting the idea of creating babies for medical purposes (harvesting stem cells from aborted babies). Love has caused some to mistreat others in what they thought was an act of love. That is why we need laws, standards, precepts and commandments to insure that love is properly directed. Love without action is a hollow as action without love. For either to be effective they must go together. Jesus realized this and said if you love me follow my commandments. Notice He didn’t say sit around and love. Later he said if you say you love me and hate your neighbor then you are a liar. In both cases Jesus is demanding action. God wrote the Bible because of His love for us, in effect it is a love letter. What we do with it reveals whether we love God back or not. Just reading the Bible and doing nothing other than sitting there loving is without purpose and DOES NOT fill the criteria of God. If we really love God we will obey and follow hard after those things He sat down before us. We will be the servants God called us to be. Incidentally servants serve their masters commands. Once more I repeat we are not under the law as far as our salvation but the Law still stands today as a standard by which to live by. If we didn’t have the law ‘thou shall not kill’ and if we loved someone and knew they would be better off in heaven than this earth it could be argued killing them was an act of love. However we do have the commandment ‘thou shall not kill’ therefore there is no way to convolute our understanding of it. That is why God gave commandments. You keep saying if going to church is a commandment and if I break it then I’m the same as a murderer. That is correct we are both sinners in the eyes of God however Jesus died for my sins therefore I won’t suffer the consequences of my sin. That is what it means when the Bible says Jesus paid the price. God gave us scripture so we could live upon this earth serving Him in the way He wanted served. He had Paul pen the words ‘forsake not the assembling together as is the habit of some.’ You can hedge this any way you want, supply scripture until the cow come home but I’m here to tell us God said it was profitable and He desired us to assemble together as a church body. It is equally unprofitable for you or anyone else to try to minimize that in any way. If you can’t see that then sir I submit the enemy has you blinded. Incidentally I really don’t like you misquoting me. Here again you try to proof text taking my words and putting your own meaning to them. My statement was, “If you read what I have said in this thread, while God no longer places demands on us He does gives us direction that He expects us to follow. Ancient is saying not so, if we have love we have met all of god's criteria. I'm trying to show him and others how utterly ridiculous that is.” That is a long way from saying, “it was ridiculous to suggest that love meets all of God's criteria." Once again I say love is emotion and requires action, action must be guided by love but the fact is action is still required. If you can’t see that then I’m afraid you fail to see many things. EdB |