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Subject: Superior Hope |
Bible Note: You know EdB, you are trying my patience. I did not say, "Just do anything we want, live any way we want, and say anything we want." Did you even read my posts? You are putting words in my mouth, and nothing I posted even remotely suggested such a thing. I insist that you reread them and take time to carefully and fairly evaluate the information. As far as "All you need is love," this is absolutely correct. I substantiated this fact with three pages of post, carefully thought out, and backed up with plain scripture that requires no interpretation. What you are mistaking me for saying is that we should just say we are loving each other, and otherwise do what we want. This is not what I said. I said that we should love in deed and in truth. Romans 12:1 does not defy what I said. If you read verses 2-21, which defines "presenting our bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God," it conforms completely to the practice of brotherly love. Neither does 1 Peter 1:15-16 defy what I have said. Being "holy" in your conduct is to keep the commandment of Christ (i.e. Love each other as I have loved you). Such a person will not steal, murder, adulterate, bear false witness, or violate any other commandment. Now let me address this other statement: "No I think we are called to follow more than just love although everything is encompassed in love." This is absolutely ambiguous. "We have to follow more than love, but everything is encompassed in love." If everything is encompassed in love, then what, pray tell, do we need to follow that is more than love? In your hasty attempt to refute me, you are contradicting yourself. Now, this statement: "Oh yes I know that is just advice not an admonishment of the truth. I can see why you don’t want to discuss this. It exposes the roots of your theology." You are just being rude. THIS is why I didn't want to discuss this with you. I prefer to plant seed in fertile ground, not dash it against a wall. I want you to know that I spent hours trying to give you a sound response, scripturally sound, and complete in explanation. As far as I can tell, you read it, got the point (as you have demonstrated with your condescending John Lennon example), verified the truth of it (although everything is encompassed in love) because you would have to defy plain scripture to deny it. Then you dismissed it all with a wave of the hand because I can't possibly be right, even though you can't refute what I said without contradicting plain scripture, which is evident, else you wouldn't have contradicted yourself. Now, as a matter of scriptural truth, I challenge you to provide at least one other clear scriptural statement regarding going to church. You and I are in disagreement about the interpretation of Hebrews 10:25. I say it is an exhortation to do this thing that we may provoke one another to love and good works. You say it is a commandment to go to church. My interpretation adheres to the doctrine of Christ, and that being love one another as he loved us. Your interpretation puts us under the law and revives sin. We will not agree on this passage. Since a matter is established by two or three witnesses (for the sake of space, I'll leave out the quotes, but will happily provide them if you require), I ask that you provide another witness to this command. I can provide as many as twenty witnesses to verify that love is all that is required. If your "command" is credible, show me. Show me, and I will listen, acknowledge, adhere, and admit you are right. Ancient |