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NASB | Hebrews 11:40 because God had provided something better for us, so that apart from us they would not be made perfect. |
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Subject: Superior Hope |
Bible Note: Ancient You read only what you want to read and focus only on what you think proves your point. Hebrew 10:25 is as much a command as is Exodus 20:13. It was given for our good, for our wellbeing and for benefit. Will, not going to church send us to hell? Yes if we are not Christian, but no if we are in Christ (and I don’t believe true Christians stay home from church) since Christ paid the price for that sin. By the way that is the same for murder without Christ the murdered is condemned to the Lake of Fire, however if the murdered finds Christ ( and I don’t believe real Christians murder) his name is written in the book of life and he will spend eternity with Christ. What you saying is every man should decide for himself what is right for him. That removes God out of the equation and you just can't do that. That is where I have a problem with what you saying. Man doesn’t always make the right decisions many times he starts out good but ends up all wrong. Look at Jim Jones and David Koresh I don’t know either of their hearts but I imagine both started out with a hunger to serve God. Somewhere that got perverted and they mutated into monsters they became. That is why it is so important to compare our actions, our beliefs, our standards against the rest of orthodoxy. If we come up wanting perhaps we have gotten off track and need to be put back on. Further your saying each man should decide for himself what the Bible says even if it conflicts with orthodoxy because in the past men have convoluted and manufactured falsehoods. I’m saying first the church was not responsible for those sins, secondly it was the individual men involve and it wasn’t universal to the church at the time, thirdly the actual participation by the church is greatly overstated in those deeds in most cases the church fought against the actual event. You also promote a very humanist view of scripture, “all you need is love”, No you need servanthood, obedience, holiness, faith, trust, and love. Love is only one of 9 essentials listed in the fruit of the spirit and for a reason it is not in itself the end. Lastly you speak as if you have authority to tell others what is essential in their walk with God. To me that assumes you know more about it than God. I doubt that very much. You say I’m insulting perhaps I speak in truth and that raises your fur. Lastly I have always been taught if a man knows what he is talking about he can say it clearly and concisely in very few words. Your posts many of which must be cut into 3 parts are filled with little more than strawman arguments and scripture ripped from context. Your right I think we are done discussing this and please spare us your teaching on Love, I think everyone on the forum prefers to get their teaching form the masters mouth called the whole word of God. EdB |