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NASB | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord! [John 14:3; 1 Cor 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Col 3:4] |
Subject: Searching for the truth |
Bible Note: "Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again? The answer is no. If physical healing is in the atonement then no Christian should ever get physically sick provided they stay in the faith. Yet we know Bill Bright a great Christian just recently died of lung disease. He must have had faith enough for spiritual healing but not for physical." Ed, that is a good observation. The first question was, "Will you agree that Christ died for our sins and healed us spiritually? If so once we believe in Christ and stay in the faith are we ever spiritually sick again?" The optimal word here would be 'stay in faith'. By this you mean that if we continue in faith in the redemptive work of Jesus Christ our savior, yes, we remain in His grace. If you mean 'remain if faith' in the sense that we 'sin no more' no. We do indeed sin (hopefully less and less as we grow up) but yes even as believers we can become entangled in sin and become spiritually sick, not to the point of spiritual death. If physical healing is in the atonement like spiritual healing when we become saved and experience our spiritual healing we should also be healed... No, just as with salvation, healing must be received by faith. All of the provisions of the atonement must be received by faith. Many are taught only that Christ died for their sins and this is all they believe for, and it is all they get. But as we grow in the Word we see that much more was provided. He was wounded for our transgression! He was bruised for our iniquities! The chastisement needful for our peace was upon Him! By His stripes you are healed! It is possible to believ in the blood for sins, and even possible to believe God heals some, but not me.... But the scripture here and indicates no exceptions. "yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair." I am sure when we all get to Heaven we sill know why...but her experience does not compromise scripture. yet we know Joni Eckerson Tada was spiritually healed however she is still confined to a wheel chair. "Therefore God provided scripture that tells us Christians what to do if we do get sick. You say it is a lack of faith. However you can't show me where God said if you lack faith and get sick here is what to do." The scripture does say 'IF there are any sick among you....' There is the conclusion that there may be some sick among you, but this does not conclude that there has to be any sick among you.... As far as your statement there is no scripture that tells us our faith can be developed to the point of not becoming sick (not yielding to any attack of sickness) There are scriptures that tell us God will give us the desires of our heart, that we are redeemed from the curse...sickness is under the curse....and that the righteous shall live by faith...If you believe for healing when you get sick, praise God you believe my brother. I can't convince you to 'believe'. That is the responsibility of the Holy Spirit...Let it rest awhile. God bless |