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NASB | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain [on the earth] will simultaneously be caught up (raptured) together with them [the resurrected ones] in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord! [John 14:3; 1 Cor 15:52; 2 Cor 5:8; Phil 1:23; Col 3:4] |
Subject: Searching for the truth |
Bible Note: Ed, I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt, that you are simply confused by the many posts here, and not actually misrepresenting what I said. So I will copy and paste my statement. "If God's word doesn't contradict, then possibly your take that God said everyone has to physically die could be wrong." Now I will go copy and paste what I said... "I agree that He does not always disclose the exact path of prophetic fulfillment, but in the case of Enoch and Elizah there would have had to be a 'loophole' of some sort in the curse that came upon Adam and all mankind. The curse came upon all men. The priest were offering sacrifices for the people which still did not make them righteous...fytRobert has a valid question...how did Enoch and Elizah escape death? NOT just physical death but they were 'taken up' opposed to descending into Hell (the holding compartment) like everyone else?" Please note carefully the LAST sentence. You may have to read through the thread to find it but someone else addressed this question from the physical death perspective and I was pointing out that escaping physical death is not the question. Escaping physical death is not something I have a problem with in this passage..but rather that Enoch and Elizah also seemingly escaped the spiritual death which is seperation from God.... How could that be in light of the fact that 'death' 'spiritual death' was placed on ALL mankind? If every animal in the world were sacrificed they would not have been 'Clean'. I do not have the answer, but all the answers I have heard here have only raised more questions. Which I am presenting for consideration. God bless |