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NASB | Romans 6:6 knowing this, that our old self was crucified with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin; |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 6:6 We know that our old self [our human nature without the Holy Spirit] was nailed to the cross with Him, in order that our body of sin might be done away with, so that we would no longer be slaves to sin. |
Subject: Two Natures or One? |
Bible Note: Greetings Doc! Now I see the problem! You are confusing the 'flesh' and the 'old man'. These are two different topics. I never made the claim that these two gentleman believed in entire sanctification. But, as I have been studying this issue, one of the foundation blocks to the study concerns the 'old man' or the 'old nature'. As you pointed out a couple of posts ago, one's view of man is important to this whole topic. In the same way, one's view of the 'old man' is equally important to an understanding of sanctification. Both of these gentleman reject the dual nature view of a believer in Christ. Which is one of the reasons why Hoekema disagrees that the 'wretched man' describes a Christian. But, Biblically, the 'old man' is distinct from the 'sarx'. We were 'old men', but now we are 'new men' in Christ. However, the 'sarx' can still influence us as believers. However, we are no longer controlled by it, but by the Spirit, if we are in Christ. I'm glad that you made your point clear. I was really beginning to wonder why you couldn't seem to understand their quotes and seemed to think that I was misunderstanding or misusing their quotes. So, to be clear - I was simply using their quotes to demonstrate that believers do not have two natures at the same time. As I get time, I will deal more with the issue of the 'sarx'. I would note that I agree with most of what Hoekema says on this topic, but I don't think that he quite goes far enough. He accepts that we only have one nature in Christ. He accepts that we are no longer slaves to sin. He accepts that there is a note of victory in Rom. 6-8, but then he ends up talking as though the struggle is too much. It seems to me that he falls short of the full implications of his teaching on this topic. Well, I have to go to work now! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |