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NASB | Romans 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:18 ¶ For [God does not overlook sin and] the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who in their wickedness suppress and stifle the truth, |
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Bible Note: I couldn't help but notice you took one clause out of my post and built a whole response to it. Were the verses I gave in the rest of the sentence not sufficient to support my point? I would especially like your take on Jesus' quotes from John 6. Who CAN come to the Son? Who are the only ones who WILL come to the Son? Who are the ones of whom Jesus will not lose ANY? All the same group of people: the ones that the Father permits and causes to come to him. In any case, you seem to think that I hold that people do not make REAL choices. I am not going to repeat myself on that again. We act according to our natures. What is the nature of the unregenerate? Those Jeremiah passages must also be taken in context of the other passages in Jeremiah in which God says that Judah's doom in inevitable (read: it is CERTAIN to happen), where he tells Jeremiah not even to pray for the nation. God call everyone outwardly to repent. There is no question that anyone in the hearing of God's call to repentance has heard what they SHOULD/MUST do. However, because of our own sinful nature (Romans 3:10-18), we won't do what we should do unless God changes out hearts so that we will want to do so. In the very book you cited as evidence for your position, we find that mine is supported: "Can the Ethiopian change his skin Or the leopard his spots? Then you also can do good Who are accustomed to doing evil." --Jeremiah 13:23 This is an indictment of the NATURE of man. We can do good just as easily as a leopard can change his spots. Good luck! You wrote: "It goes back to the jump in logic: God intervened in X situation therefore he must INTERVENE or DETERMINE the outcome of ALL situations. I can’t make that jump." I didn't base that on an inductive leap in logic, but from clearly stated passages of Scripture. --Joe! |