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NASB | Romans 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:18 ¶ For [God does not overlook sin and] the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who in their wickedness suppress and stifle the truth, |
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Bible Note: I am sorry it took so long to respond. I have been swamped at work and am squeezing this post in during my lunch. “Why do you feel you have the liberty to rearrange the order Paul set for his "golden chain of redemption"? Those he FOREKNEW, he PREDESTINED, he CALLED, JUSTIFIED, GLORIFIED. All of these are describing the same group of people. Who is the subject of all of these verbs? Who is the object? Again, the verse clearly indicates that God did not foreknow events, but rather PEOPLE. “ I agree 100 percent! I am glad you have come to a common Armenianist assumption: God’s foreknowledge comes before his predetermined path! RC Sproul, however, would string you up and shoot you for conceding that point to an Armenianist in this debate. J RC jumbles this list up and places Predestined as first on the list in the ordered chain, because it is the only way the passage will make sense—In his Theology. My point, however, wasn’t on the ordering of words in this verse but the overall purpose (intent) of this verse in the scheme of Romans 8. This verse, in my humble opinion, has nothing to do with God determining who or who will not be saved; it has everything to do with God “knowing” who will be saved and off of God’s knowledge determining a pathway of holiness for his elect people! That will teach and preach in both camps. Lets look at this one verse again. “For those who God forknew he predestined…” God knew before time who would accept the free offer of salvation (we both agree on that). Off of God’s knowledge he has predestined, not salvation, but that each person who makes that choice “Should be conformed to the likeness of His son.” That is not salvation that sounds like Sanctification to me. God predestined each believer (those he foreknew would make the correct choice) to live a holy life. God knows who will be saved not because he created some to be saved and some to be lost but because of His foreknowledge. Each person that is saved is predestined to a lifestyle of holiness or to put it in Paul’s language “conformed to the likeness of His son.” |