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NASB | Romans 1:18 ¶ For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 1:18 ¶ For [God does not overlook sin and] the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who in their wickedness suppress and stifle the truth, |
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Bible Note: My spiritual immaturity? You are the one who micharacterized my argument as an Arminian one, and then proceeded to say that R.C. Sproul would "string me up and shoot me" for what I said, as if he were my lord and savior and inventor of Reformed theology. You then misrepresented his clear teachings in a forum in which he apparently does not participate, and me correcting and rebuking you on this is spiritual immaturity? It is horrible to come out in the public square and make unfounded accusations of another believer in Christ and misrepresent the theology that he holds. If I went onto another bulletin board and said something along the lines of, "You know that old Schwartzkopf denies the Trinity," I hope you would wish someone there to correct me. And you still have not addressed the substance of the content of the post or the other one. I clearly expounded the Reformed understanding of Romans 8. It is the one Sproul holds to as well. What is wrong with it? And you still have ignored the Scripture passages you requested as support of my views. If you see this as me "dragging the discussion down into the ditch," so be it. And I would make precisely the same point I made in person as well. The only difference would be that it would be an interchange of voices rather than a series of written communications, which in itself changes the dynamic of the discussion. If you do indeed find evidence of Sproul "jumbling things up," please cite it verbatim for us so that I can make a full apology to you and the rest of the forum. Until that time, I will stick to what he wrote on p. 145 of his book _Grace Unknown: The Heart of Reformed Theology_: "Reformed theologians understand the golden chain as follows: From all eternity God foreknew his elect. He had an idea of their identity in mind before he created them. He foreknew them not only in the sense of having a prior idea of their personal identities, but also in the sense of foreloving them. When the Bible speaks of 'knowing,' it often distinguishes between a simple mental awareness of a person and a deep intimate love of a person. The Reformed view teached that all whom God has foreknown, he has also predestined to be inwardly called, justified, and glorified. God sovereignly brings to pass the salvation of his elect and only of his elect." Disagree with Sproul if you want, but understand a view before criticizing it. --Joe! |